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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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changer i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i alliance your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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bespoke radio

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how you doing

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today's wednesday december 19 2018.

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353 days into the new year just 12 days

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we are live

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from a bunker somewhere in the middle of

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beautiful downtown burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tethered to and throw back

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and forth up and down east and west

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far and near

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this is fade to black for kj cr the game

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changer network and kgra the planets

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody

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that's right tonight is our fifth

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and it's also our first day of year

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and for that

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and our last guest of the year all on

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the same night is richard bleepin dolan

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that's right what what what a great

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night we have in front of us

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it's our last guest of 2018 and

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you really think about it it's our fifth

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uh it's show number nine 968

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it's the first day of our sixth year and

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of that all wrapped up into one show our

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here at the bottom of the hour and then

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night and we'll celebrate we'll take all

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and we'll talk about all of that

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open lines teresa and eris divine

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all right we've got a lot to get to

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tonight richard dolan is our guest

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and first let's get to some breaking

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pretty amazing stuff going on today a

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saying that facebook

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shared user data with more than

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see the names of virtually all facebook

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users friends accounts and friends

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the federal trade commission the ftc

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required facebook to have a

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comprehensive privacy program and to get

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the express consent of users before

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that the 2011 ftc agreement

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didn't require it to have explicit

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partners platforms because facebook

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there may be some violations in play

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reporters without borders

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the number of deaths rises to 80

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when all media workers and people

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classified as citizen journalists are

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included it's incredible

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the world's five deadliest countries for

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unbelievable all right next week

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wednesday the day after christmas

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which is december 26th

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fade to black is having our annual

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holiday party at the world famous

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rainbow bar and grill on the sunset

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strip right here in hollywood california

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so if you would like to attend it's the

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day after christmas wednesday

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send me an email

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let me know get on the guest list

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and rsvp there too as well

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all right now we are expecting

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a couple of hundred people

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you know it's a it's a holiday party

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that's what uh we would uh uh like to

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see that's what we're expecting now uh

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uh open cash bar it's a cash bar

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free admission all you've got to do show

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drop my name fade to black you get into

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the rainbow we book the entire club okay

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which is a restaurant

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you can have dinner

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uh uh cash bar all of that hang out with

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all of the fader knots yeah there's

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gonna be some celebs there it's gonna be

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cool lots of researchers and

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hang out with all of us you're going to

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walk in and go these are the faces i was

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this is really cool and all of the fader

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knots that are here in california we've

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got fader knots coming in from around

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the country

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and you've been hanging out on twitter

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doing all of that and now you can do

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everything in person right so that is

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next wednesday night december 26th at

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the rainbow bar and grill i've been

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getting a lot of emails i'm coming

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we're coming we're gonna be there okay

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so let me know you know let me know if

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it's gonna be a plus one plus three all

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okay all right and we'll see you next

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wednesday night and then right after

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yeah in february come join us at the

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2019 conscious life expo right here in

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los angeles at the l a x

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hilton now we've been talking about this

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this is a big event uh this time around

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it's always big there's 15 000 attendees

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at the conscious life expo it's a

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ginormous conference and it's so cool to

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have to have so many awaken enlightened

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people in one place you just feel the

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vibe the second you get there all right

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but this year it's extra special because

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we are celebrating the 50th anniversary

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of chariots of the gods with eric von

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daniken and i will be hosting the panel

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on friday night the ancient aliens panel

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friday night keynote opening panel right

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there setting off the weekend friday

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night with eric linda moulton howe jason

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martel billy carson and david wilcock so

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get your tickets and get them early okay

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get them it's going to sell out

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george nori nasim haramine

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robert shock daniel brinkley grant

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cameron julia mossberg's teresa and eris

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and another 50 speakers will be

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presenting this year at the conscious

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life expo click on the banners over at

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okay all right now um

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night vision goggles they do that

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they've got a great product line over

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there i have gotten so much email this

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week about christmas gifts and and

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things you know and okay you know

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nothing like procrastinating i i do the

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get yours now okay and you can go see

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jimmychurchradio.com all right let's get

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this show cracking it's our fifth

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anniversary today today

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is the first day of year number six

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oh man

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and we only do this once a year right so

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i can say it a few times tonight

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let's get this show cracking happy

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birthday to today jake gyllenhaal

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is 38 years old donnie darko

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that's it watch donnie darko i did it

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again

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rita it was so funny last week i'm like

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you know what i'm going there and the

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reason why i did

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um i had uh

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just listened to

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i think it was tears for fears right i

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was like man you know what i want to

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watch donnie darko rita's like really i

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said yeah and we did we watched it start

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to finish

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last week what an amazing movie jake

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gyllenhaal today is 38 years old his

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sister's in that movie too as well chris

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angel mind freak

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today is 51 years old our dead guy's

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birthday today

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edith piaf

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1915 to 1963 died so young at the age of

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47 french singer songwriter cabaret

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performer and film actress

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noted

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as france's national shantous

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and one of the country's most widely

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known international stars best known for

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her grammy hall of fame inducted classic

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la vie enrolls

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she was raised by prostitutes who worked

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at her mother's brothel she worked as a

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street singer after having her first

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daughter when she was just 17 years old

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and although she was

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denied listen to this

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she was denied a funeral mass by the

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cardinal maurice felton

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because of her lifestyle

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her funeral procession drew tens of

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thousands of mourners onto the streets

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of paris and the ceremony at the

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cemetery was attended by more than 100

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000 fans

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but then on october 10 2013

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years after her death the roman catholic

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church gave her a memorial mass in the

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saint jean-baptiste church in belleville

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paris

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that she was

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born there you go happy birthday edith

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piaf on this day in history

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the apollo lunar landing program ends

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on december 19 1972 when the last three

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astronauts to travel to the moon

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splashed down safely

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allegedly in the pacific ocean apollo 17

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had lifted off from cape canaveral

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florida 10 days before happened on this

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the fbi

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followed einstein

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that's right

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followed einstein compiling a 1400 page

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file

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after branding him a communist

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because he joined an anti-lynching

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civil rights group

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and that is your fader fact tonight our

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fifth anniversary it is richard bleep

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i almost let it slip i did richard bleep

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and dolan our last guest of 2018

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our guest on our fifth anniversary

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special

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and on top of that he's richard bleep

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and dolan and he's our first guest of

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our sixth year tomorrow night is another

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fader night

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with teresa yanaris and divine frequency

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on the airwaves followed by open lines

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all night long

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right now richard dolan is listening to

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manheimstein royal but he'll say bach

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when asked that's funny

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mark that's hilarious you already know

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what my first question is don't you all

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right so

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i love my river moon coffee

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i love

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yeah

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all right

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so yeah it's our fifth anniversary

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and

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looking back over the last five years

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with countless interviews and phone

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calls about the ufo subject

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contact sightings

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and it got me thinking

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and for some reason this week

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i've mentioned the spinning

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beer can daylight sighting i had up at

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east city ranch a few times

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and earlier today i watched james

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gilliland's

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latest video it's called contact has

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begun

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and uh he did it uh with peter

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and

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in the video i recount the sighting now

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it's kind of weird how the universe

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works right it's just weird how

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synchronicity happens but

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i did mention it a few times this week

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and i did it with alexis brooks too as

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well for some reason it just came up

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and then

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you know the new video uh was released

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today and i peeped it out and there i am

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i didn't expect that but there i am

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talking about this sighting right

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and

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the more that i think about it the more

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incredible it becomes and i'm talking

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about that sighting a daylight sighting

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you see night watch

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is one thing

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going out there with the night vision

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goggles that's one thing it's incredible

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right it's truly amazing and i get that

433
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but

434
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when you have a real daytime sighting

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with witnesses

436
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well that is special and it is also the

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holy grail it's big league stuff

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i have talked a lot about the green

439
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chrome balls and the and the blues or

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rosie you know we've we've seen these

441
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things and

442
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and these sightings are incredible and

443
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i've had a lot of them i've had some

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with uh richard dolan you know and it

445
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it's really cool

446
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but a daytime sighting right and for

447
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some reason i can't get it out of my

448
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brain this week

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i see it

450
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it was only 15 seconds long

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that's it 15 seconds

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which is actually an eternity when you

453
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think about it

454
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but it was at three in the afternoon

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with a perfectly blue sky

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with the direction it was heading

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it shouldn't have been 15 seconds long

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it should have been like 5 10 maybe 15

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20 minutes

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long of viewing going across the sky

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because it was moving slow but it just

462
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decided to disappear

463
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but here's the thing

464
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i still can't get over the shock

465
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i can't

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when it first appeared

467
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it it it was like

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what

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you don't expect anything like this to

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happen and i need to stress this with

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you

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and this is what's most important to me

473
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it wasn't moving fast

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it was huge

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it was perfectly in focus and it was lit

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up by the sun

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i saw

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everything

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and because it was moving so slowly from

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west to east

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i was able to

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to look at it

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it wasn't a streak

484
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it wasn't a flash or something that just

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blasted by for a second or two no

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this was at first you need to understand

487
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it was huge and second

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it was just cruising

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it was just

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like that

491
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it made itself visible

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that's the only way i can look at it

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i wish that i was able to see it

494
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disappear

495
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i didn't see it i remember looking at it

496
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through the binoculars right i'm down

497
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i'm at this uh table picnic table

498
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and i had a tripod with my binoculars

499
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mounted to these huge ginormous

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celestron my uh binoculars and

501
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i was just looking at the mountain so

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when this is going on i look down into

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the binoculars

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and you know i'm looking

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and then i i go back off and i can still

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see it right i'm like wow you know and

507
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everybody's talking we're looking and

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and i go back

509
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and it's gone

510
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and i was like where'd it go you know

511
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and i went to move it

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and it's not there and i come up it's

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i didn't see it disappear where you know

514
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it i so to say that it flew away didn't

515
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see it did it just dissolve into nothing

516
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i didn't see it did it just blip and

517
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disappear i didn't see it

518
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i didn't see it disappear

519
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,520
i didn't see a fly away i didn't see

520
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what happened to it

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and here's the thing

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you know

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although i still can't get over the

524
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shock

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right

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of it

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because i didn't get to see it

528
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you know end

529
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i didn't get the i didn't get the

530
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resolve

531
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i didn't get to finish

532
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,039
you know

533
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and uh

534
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i went back to the binoculars it's gone

535
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,960
the moment has passed and everybody

536
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around me

537
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as i'm just

538
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:20,000
you know i'm bummed

539
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:21,679
you know you go from this adrenaline to

540
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this everybody is saying it's gone it

541
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:30,549
i looked up it's gone it's just a clear

542
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boost blue sky and the spinning beer can

543
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just apparently left as quick as it

544
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appeared

545
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,440
and here's the other thing that needs to

546
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,000
be understood when we talk about this

547
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:43,600
i was looking up at the top of mount

548
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adams for about 15 minutes before it

549
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:47,679
this thing happened

550
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,520
and the object did not show itself

551
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,600
from the left right i've got the

552
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,360
mountain in front of me

553
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,600
it appeared over here it didn't like

554
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,600
come across the sky and fly behind the

555
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:01,520
mountain that's not what happened

556
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,360
okay i was looking at the mountain

557
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:06,960
i was looking at the birds i was looking

558
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,480
at everything around it it just appeared

559
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:12,720
on this side

560
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:15,200
on the west side

561
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,720
or on the east side of the mountain

562
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:19,120
there was nothing on the west

563
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:20,960
it appeared from

564
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,919
behind the mountain

565
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:25,520
i can't explain it

566
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:29,279
i i just can't i it's just the way that

567
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,159
it happened

568
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:34,400
i had a full view of everything on both

569
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,919
sides and above mount adams and

570
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:40,000
what did it look like

571
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,360
you know again if you hold up a beer can

572
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,520
in front of you you know you hold up a i

573
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:47,440
don't have a beer can in the studio you

574
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,960
would think that i did oh you know what

575
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,799
this is a better example

576
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:52,880
here okay

577
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:55,279
fade to black

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00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,000
cold press

579
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:00,080
imagine this

580
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:01,840
and you know what this is a pretty good

581
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,360
example it had a silver circle right

582
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,600
here had a silver circle

583
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:09,600
and it was going like this so i could

584
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,400
see

585
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,240
this and then i could it was black and

586
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:14,159
then i could see this thing and that's

587
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,960
how

588
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,039
everybody knew what was spinning because

589
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,600
we could see this so imagine that

590
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:22,080
spinning at about this speed

591
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:22,880
just

592
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,679
200 feet tall i don't know 300 feet tall

593
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:27,520
you know i don't have it but 14 miles

594
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,480
away

595
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,240
and it's just cruising

596
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,720
and that's that's what it was that's

597
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,320
what it looked like

598
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:35,440
there's no

599
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:41,279
it's not a balloon it's not it's not

600
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:47,029
and then it just disappeared

601
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,080
so

602
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,159
it was in the middle of the day

603
00:25:56,909 --> 00:25:52,559
the sun was perfect i could see

604
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,919
everything it was just in focus it was

605
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:58,720
unbelievable

606
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:01,600
and i'm so glad that we had all of the

607
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,760
witnesses at that moment

608
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,159
because when you see something like this

609
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,480
and you're alone

610
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,799
it's just a story

611
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,799
it's a good story

612
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:15,600
but it's just a story

613
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:19,120
all of us had witnessed the holy grail

614
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:23,440
a real daytime ufo event

615
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,799
incredible

616
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:26,880
all of the night vision all of the other

617
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,760
things that i have seen uh you know

618
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,600
the black triangle and the photograph

619
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:33,760
and you know that yeah okay all right

620
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:36,320
all right great stuff and i can't take

621
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,840
anything away from any of that it was

622
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:39,360
just amazing

623
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,120
but this

624
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,080
i'm trying to explain it to you so you

625
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:45,840
can understand

626
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:47,919
it was incredible

627
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:51,039
and i just keep going back to that

628
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:52,400
moment

629
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,880
looking in the binoculars where and i'm

630
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,000
looking and

631
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:00,080
the top of the mountain it's brown and

632
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,960
you know the blue sky back of it it just

633
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:04,799
just came out

634
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,600
spinning i

635
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,440
wow

636
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:10,960
yeah

637
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,880
incredible that's why we do this show

638
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,120
that's why we do the show and when when

639
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:19,520
you hear me

640
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:24,159
do this often but when i come down on

641
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:25,279
somebody

642
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,520
or or or or things or companies or

643
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,720
whatever

644
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,960
it's just you have to understand where i

645
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,720
am coming from

646
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:36,240
if you have

647
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:37,679
evidence

648
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:38,559
and

649
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,279
uh you don't want you claim that you

650
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,960
have it you don't present it i've got

651
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,640
issues with that i need to get the

652
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:47,039
answers i need to find out i want to

653
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:48,559
know what this was

654
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:51,440
you know and and i'm depending on on

655
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:53,600
things and disclosure you know to break

656
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:54,559
out

657
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,600
you know so if you've got evidence don't

658
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,760
say that we can't handle just present it

659
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,279
that's number one

660
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:02,880
number two

661
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,000
if you do present something

662
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:08,320
if you present something you're at a

663
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:09,440
conference

664
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,919
you're in a video and you show something

665
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,240
on the screen and and and you're

666
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,200
bringing this forward make sure that it

667
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:19,760
is correct and that it is authentic and

668
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,279
that it's real

669
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,919
because i'm looking for these answers i

670
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,080
have come forward i have spoken about

671
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,720
this i have witnesses out there that are

672
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,480
sitting beside me that have seen these

673
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,600
things and we we we

674
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:35,679
want these answers

675
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:38,559
so that's why i am critical i'm not out

676
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:41,120
here faking it i'm not out here phoning

677
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:42,159
it in

678
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,080
i want these answers and here we go 2019

679
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,320
is here we're going to start our sixth

680
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:50,559
year in this broadcast and it is my

681
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:53,600
mission for this community to get these

682
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,799
answers

683
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,720
this is fade to black i'm murals jimmy

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00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:59,520
church tonight our guest is the one and

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00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,799
only richard bleepin dolan and i'll be

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right back right after this short break

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we're gonna kick this night off

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and it's gonna be all that i can feel it

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i can feel it

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmy's

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what's up i'm chris what up this is kyle

782
00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:04,960
and you're listening to jimmy church

783
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radio

784
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:23,030
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

785
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:25,119
your host jimmy church

786
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,720
on the game changer network and kg are a

787
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:31,440
the planets

788
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,159
that's right tonight is our fifth

789
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:36,720
anniversary

790
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,879
it is also our first day of our sixth

791
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,839
year

792
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:43,839
pretty incredible

793
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:46,000
that's why richard bleep and dolan is

794
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:47,200
here

795
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:51,040
richard is also our last guest

796
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:52,879
in 2018

797
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,359
so it's a pretty incredible evening and

798
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,920
everything is as it should be

799
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,680
and i would like to welcome back to fade

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00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,040
to black

801
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:03,040
richard bleep and dolan richard good

802
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,640
evening man how are you

803
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:06,960
hi jimmy it's uh it's a pleasure to be

804
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:09,119
here and an honor to be your last guest

805
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:10,240
of the year

806
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:13,760
first guest of your uh your sixth season

807
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:16,880
now yeah crazy huh crazy just yeah thank

808
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,000
you crazy crazy and and you know when

809
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:22,079
you think about it welcome back richard

810
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,119
and uh 2018 was a pretty crazy year but

811
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:27,440
this is what is amazing to me

812
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:30,400
is i look back

813
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:31,440
to

814
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:34,560
the first time that you and i met which

815
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,079
was also the first time that i

816
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:38,160
interviewed you we did that live uh

817
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:39,599
broadcast

818
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:43,119
and uh here in los angeles that was five

819
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,480
years ago man

820
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,160
you know yeah that's when i smacked my

821
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:48,160
head on a tree branch just before i came

822
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:49,119
in

823
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,040
and had a welt

824
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:53,359
the size of a small chicken egg that

825
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:54,480
developed

826
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,800
on front of my forehead while i

827
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,280
was you know richard i'm just going to

828
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,800
let you know i don't know if you

829
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:02,800
actually know this but i was pretty

830
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,680
traumatized because i you looked at me i

831
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,359
watched it you know i was outside with

832
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,720
you when you did it

833
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:10,640
and uh when you walked into the tree you

834
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:14,000
walked inside you looked it was dark

835
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,680
it was dark it was dark

836
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:17,760
but you looked at me you were a little

837
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,320
cross-eyed right little cross-eyed and

838
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:22,160
you looked at me and you go how do i

839
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:23,200
look

840
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,240
and i

841
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,200
as i'm watching i'm watching it grow

842
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:29,680
right right in front of me and i go dude

843
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:32,079
you look you you look fine

844
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:33,839
and i'm just thinking to myself that

845
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:36,640
looks nasty man this guy will be dead by

846
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,599
the way

847
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:39,680
what was i what was i supposed to do go

848
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,280
dude oh my god you know that uh

849
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,359
which is how i felt but that was i don't

850
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,040
know if there's video of that anywhere

851
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,119
uh there is video

852
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:51,359
there is video but see the thing is the

853
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:52,560
thing is

854
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,839
we we caked on the makeup remember we

855
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:58,000
i do yeah vaguely yeah

856
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,440
we had to

857
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:01,680
oh man what a night that was but anyway

858
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:03,920
here we are five years later

859
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,040
and uh wow wow wow just an incredible

860
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,520
ride you've been along with this uh for

861
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,280
all of it so thank you for your support

862
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,960
and friendship and and all of that it's

863
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,240
been incredible

864
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,400
absolutely okay uh first question of the

865
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:18,000
night i know this is gonna come as a

866
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:19,440
surprise to you

867
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,400
um

868
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,560
last song you listened to today you rock

869
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,320
and roller and i hadn't thought about

870
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:27,599
this uh i'm not buying that uh

871
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,400
well i'm going to tell you what i've

872
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:30,160
been listening to a lot lately and i

873
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,680
have a feeling the one that's in my mind

874
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,359
i've had a lot of we we've had a lot of

875
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,440
christmas music on a lot of jazz

876
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:37,119
crooners and i'm just gonna say dean

877
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:38,079
martin

878
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,000
uh let it snow oh god very nice

879
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:44,000
very nice it's a great one and it's

880
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:45,440
certainly i don't know if it's the last

881
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,960
one i but it's it's like in my head and

882
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,800
we've been hearing it a lot and i know

883
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:53,119
it's been very recent yeah mine so

884
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:54,800
that's what we're going to go with mine

885
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,280
today i'm going to admit i'm just going

886
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,800
to say it

887
00:38:01,190 --> 00:38:00,400
burr lives

888
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,200
and

889
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:02,880
he's on all the time he's done all the

890
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,640
time and and uh i'm listening uh here in

891
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,320
the next one though there's the frosty

892
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,480
the snow okay i have a holly jolly

893
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,480
christmas have a holly john like of

894
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:13,920
course you know

895
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:17,599
and so i came home uh i was out uh doing

896
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,720
some stuff and i came home uh and rita

897
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,880
was in the kitchen i came in singing

898
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,160
that song

899
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,400
and she just spins around stop

900
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,560
just it's a great song no it's not that

901
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,160
it's my voice

902
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:33,119
man that it'll curdle milk so anyway uh

903
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,160
but yeah

904
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,400
anyone makes that song sound good jimmy

905
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,920
you could make it sound good i believe

906
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:39,920
it i sang with you one time i remember

907
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:42,560
yes yes and you can do it you know well

908
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,760
we we hit you know one solid you know it

909
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:47,440
was a good thing it was the last note

910
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:48,240
too

911
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:51,280
but we just found that harmony and

912
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,800
and uh

913
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,640
okay

914
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,240
well i'm glad you thanked sombrero lives

915
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,240
i'm very happy okay

916
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,320
it's a good song it's wonderful tonight

917
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:02,560
i want to talk ufos

918
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,040
and the reason why you and i uh

919
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:09,440
uh i enjoy

920
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,880
uh your research and and talking about

921
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,880
your research and and getting that out

922
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:16,160
of you which is

923
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:19,040
uh you know based on history and and and

924
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,440
washington and of course you know a.d

925
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,160
after disclosure and and documents and

926
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:27,359
false flags and you're a historian and

927
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:30,400
and it's a great zone to get into to get

928
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,240
educated i get that

929
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,720
but i've never

930
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,480
we've had sightings together we've done

931
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:38,240
a lot of things but you and i have never

932
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,760
really talked

933
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,440
ufos

934
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:45,990
no in terms of what they are what how

935
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,480
they do what they do the science of that

936
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,160
sort of thing we've never we've never

937
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,880
done it see even you are going that sort

938
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,320
of thing that's because we've never done

939
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:56,160
it so that's what we're going to do to

940
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,760
probably have it and

941
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:59,040
is this

942
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,240
is the ufo subject like this

943
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,720
um is it your comfort zone

944
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:07,119
is it is is are you comfortable is it in

945
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,000
your comfort zone i am yes absolutely i

946
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,160
mean i'll just say when i i got into

947
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:14,640
ufos and i think anyone who's ever um

948
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,920
encountered

949
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,680
anything that i've written or said would

950
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,960
would gather

951
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,119
the thing that has always driven me is

952
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,359
the discrepancy of

953
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,680
this obvious reality and the cover-up

954
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,599
that that is hiding it so the politics

955
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,760
of the ufo phenomenon i've always been

956
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:31,680
the main thing that's driven me

957
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,400
but look the thing is when you uh study

958
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:36,480
anything long enough i mean it's a it's

959
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:39,680
a real puzzle and the science

960
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,800
of the of ufos is definitely something

961
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,359
that i've made myself become at least

962
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:47,359
somewhat familiar with right i'm

963
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,880
comfortable with the concepts and and

964
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,800
interested in talking about it i will

965
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,200
say when i wrote ufos for the 21st

966
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,280
century mind a few years ago

967
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,480
that really

968
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,400
forced me it was a great opportunity i

969
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:00,720
should say for me to

970
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:03,599
delve into a lot of the sciences

971
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,720
and i say science is plural that that uh

972
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,720
intersect with the ufo subject so yeah i

973
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:11,119
mean absolutely it's very interesting

974
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:14,000
and it's also revolutionary because

975
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:15,599
when you really start looking into it

976
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,880
ufos are one of these things that are

977
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,400
supposed to be impossible but they're

978
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,280
not impossible because they exist and so

979
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,720
for that reason

980
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,480
we want to ask ourselves

981
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,920
what is it that

982
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:28,000
what what are the sciences

983
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,800
that might make them possible because

984
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,480
somehow they are

985
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:34,640
this is what is interesting

986
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,079
when you um and you your mind works this

987
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:39,839
way when you start to

988
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:44,800
put these ideas down now you you have a

989
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,160
right uh 1 2 3 4 5 b one two three four

990
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,560
you know the list it starts to expand

991
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:52,880
and you get into subgroups and because

992
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:55,839
you said it correctly science is right

993
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:59,359
it is not one simple conclusion it can't

994
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,240
be

995
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:02,480
and one of the reasons why

996
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,760
uh for me that it can't be you know one

997
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,119
simple thing

998
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,880
um is that

999
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,880
when you consider like the drake

1000
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:12,079
equation

1001
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,520
antiquated

1002
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:15,680
you can throw that out now

1003
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,720
recent uh the recent physics

1004
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:20,400
astrophysics and the study of the

1005
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:21,520
universe

1006
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,040
is now presenting this one fact and this

1007
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:27,839
is what blows the drake equation and

1008
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,560
even the fermi paradox which are two

1009
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,079
different things right two different

1010
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,680
things

1011
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,359
totally different and you can almost

1012
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:37,599
back burner them now we have to

1013
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,480
reconsider and rewrite these and one of

1014
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,240
them is this

1015
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:45,839
our galaxy the milky way forget about

1016
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,319
the universe the milky way

1017
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:50,720
200 billion stars

1018
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,920
now postulate that for a second just sit

1019
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:55,760
let that simmer

1020
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,800
that

1021
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,200
every one of those stars

1022
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,920
has a planet

1023
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,440
now

1024
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,079
there is a possibility here and

1025
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,480
astrophysicists astronomers cosmologists

1026
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:09,839
are now

1027
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,800
firmly

1028
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:12,640
planted in this

1029
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,839
thought

1030
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:15,680
that there could be more planets than

1031
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,400
stars in the milky way

1032
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,000
now we are yeah well they're probably

1033
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,000
that that's probably the case that is

1034
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,680
probably the case

1035
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,160
we have one star that we know our own

1036
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,640
which has nine it was exactly

1037
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,440
pluto exactly now now we have a bunch of

1038
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,520
other satellites now we are talking

1039
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:35,839
about this is where it this is just the

1040
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,280
milky way this isn't the other 500

1041
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,599
billion i would just make one uh

1042
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,200
qualification to what you said i don't

1043
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,880
think it invalidates the drake equation

1044
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,079
i think it makes it a lot more

1045
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,400
interesting the drake equation is simply

1046
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:50,560
a bunch of variables that astro

1047
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:53,599
astronomer frank drake put together

1048
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:56,640
almost 60 years ago i mean unbelievable

1049
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,680
as a way to just take a wild guess

1050
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,200
uh as to

1051
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,680
how how likely life is in the rest of

1052
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:05,280
the universe and so all he did is he

1053
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,800
said

1054
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:08,480
number of stars

1055
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,240
sun i mean i can't remember all the

1056
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:14,160
variables and a number of those stars

1057
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,079
that may have planets uh you know a

1058
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:18,160
number of stars of that have planets

1059
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:19,359
that may have

1060
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,079
uh

1061
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,160
atmosphere that is life-supporting and

1062
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:23,920
on and on and on so basically it was

1063
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,920
just all of these different variables

1064
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,920
that it's narrowed down narrowed down

1065
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,280
narrow down more

1066
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,280
and and that's really all that is so

1067
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:33,119
it's the equation that's still i would

1068
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:34,160
say

1069
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,319
reasonable but what i think you're

1070
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,280
suggesting which i agree with is that

1071
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:41,520
it now seems like there

1072
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:45,359
are so many planets and and our exo

1073
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:48,960
uh exoplanetary studies are now you know

1074
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:51,280
whereas 20 30 years ago that we had no

1075
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,720
knowledge of any of this we've now got

1076
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,640
confirmation of i think it's several

1077
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:57,599
thousand now exo solar system planets

1078
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,400
nine thousand a few that are earth-like

1079
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,560
that we believe and that are capable of

1080
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,560
supporting life so we're finding them

1081
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,920
it's they're clearly out there it's

1082
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,040
obvious

1083
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,119
so what i am saying is about the drake

1084
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,760
equation is you don't need it

1085
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:13,520
you don't even eat it you don't you

1086
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,400
don't eat the drink yeah right

1087
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,240
it's it's just ant you don't you don't

1088
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:20,160
need it we we know

1089
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:21,280
these things

1090
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:21,920
yeah

1091
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,480
it's a crazy thought and so uh now

1092
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,200
science is right so when we take this

1093
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,760
basic fundamental number

1094
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:33,280
it could be

1095
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,920
you know crazy number right 100 billion

1096
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:36,960
planets

1097
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,760
and we it took us four and a half

1098
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,520
billion years you know the

1099
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,119
the earth you know to get to where we

1100
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:45,599
are today how many of those planets well

1101
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:48,960
the majority of them uh and stars are at

1102
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:52,480
least that old so

1103
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:54,079
how many

1104
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:57,920
different civilizations are aware of

1105
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,960
us

1106
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,440
not specifically earth but they're out

1107
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:03,200
there doing what we're doing richard

1108
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,240
they're out there

1109
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:06,880
i think so right i i firmly believe this

1110
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:07,680
yeah

1111
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:10,720
and so earth is just this is this is

1112
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:13,280
where i get a little bit uh nuts with

1113
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:17,520
this earth is just another planet

1114
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,800
that is cool right there is another

1115
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,800
50 billion

1116
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,680
rocky planets out there with water on it

1117
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:27,359
that are probably

1118
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,359
more paradise like than our planet yeah

1119
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,800
what's interesting

1120
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,880
it's like you can think of earth let's

1121
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,640
there's a difference in saying

1122
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,000
there might be like another three or

1123
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,599
four or five planets like earth that

1124
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:41,680
have life just like us but then when you

1125
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,079
think what if there's a billion

1126
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:46,880
what if there's a trillion

1127
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:49,359
other worlds like our own then it gets

1128
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,240
really kind of crazy it gets nuts and is

1129
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:53,839
that the case well we first of all we

1130
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:57,440
don't really know yet but

1131
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:00,800
look it does seem more and more that

1132
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,680
there are probably a lot

1133
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,520
probably a lot just the way

1134
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,839
if the universe is consistent in its

1135
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,599
chemistry and in the physics which

1136
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:12,240
there's no reason not to think that

1137
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,359
um

1138
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:15,680
yeah there's probably many many other

1139
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:17,200
opportunities for

1140
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,720
planets

1141
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,400
comparable to earth

1142
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,880
to have been created and then for life

1143
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,240
like ours you know there's still the

1144
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,079
other side of it by the way let's not

1145
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:28,160
forget there are scientists who will say

1146
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,520
for example

1147
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,520
we are unique why are we unique and

1148
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,520
they'll say we have the moon

1149
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:34,720
and then they look at the moon and they

1150
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,440
say

1151
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:37,680
the moon is a very unusual satellite the

1152
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:40,400
moon has stabilized a lot of uh life on

1153
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,440
earth and

1154
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,880
you know experts can tell you all the

1155
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,400
reasons why but

1156
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:46,079
and there's i think probably a lot of

1157
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,760
truth to that but nonetheless

1158
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,680
are we really to think that

1159
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,920
life can't evolve

1160
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:55,839
to an advanced degree

1161
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,920
on planets that don't have a moon just

1162
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,119
like ours

1163
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:01,119
i'm guessing they can yeah it's a it's a

1164
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:02,720
numbers game just like the drake

1165
00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:05,680
equation it's a numbers game in that you

1166
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:08,560
and i if we sit with a deck of cards and

1167
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,640
we play uh uh we play uh a card game i i

1168
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,480
don't care to pick the card we play

1169
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,480
poker right and we

1170
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,800
shuffle those cards and and deal out

1171
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:20,400
some hands

1172
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,920
eventually

1173
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:23,920
we i don't know how long it would take

1174
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:27,520
but we will deal and have an identical

1175
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:28,400
deck

1176
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:31,920
where we will deal identical cards and

1177
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,559
it's the same thing with the universe in

1178
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,040
our milky way it's it's a numbers game

1179
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,040
somewhere out there richard

1180
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,760
there are dudes doing a radio show named

1181
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:43,760
richard and jimmy talking about other

1182
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:54,150
time to do a bong hit but but that

1183
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:55,760
that's really what we're dealing with

1184
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,559
here

1185
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:59,200
and you know how much more advanced or

1186
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:01,040
not you know that's that's that's a

1187
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:03,920
whole other thing to consider but who is

1188
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,960
visiting us here it it's it's a crazy

1189
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:08,960
it's a crazy number and what the reasons

1190
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:12,559
are are for being here are as varied as

1191
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:16,319
the stars that are in the milky way

1192
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:17,359
um

1193
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,559
sure

1194
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:20,640
when i when i think of the science uh

1195
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:24,000
sciences that intersect with ufos

1196
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:25,599
so i guess you've just been getting into

1197
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,240
one of them which is astro uh astronomy

1198
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,000
and astrophysics and

1199
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:32,079
excel biology and the like

1200
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:33,200
but then

1201
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:34,640
you know there's always the objection

1202
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:35,520
that

1203
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,400
many

1204
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,880
scientists still have relating to ufos

1205
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:40,400
which is not that there isn't a lot of

1206
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,800
life out there they will say

1207
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,400
sure there's probably an amazing amount

1208
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,839
of life out there but that doesn't mean

1209
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,200
that they are able to get here and they

1210
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,119
will always come down to something that

1211
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:51,599
actually many of us do tend to overlook

1212
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:53,359
which is the vast

1213
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,079
shall we say astronomical distances

1214
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,000
between the stars and and they really

1215
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:00,079
are quite amazing actually when you

1216
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,680
every now and then you can get a

1217
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,599
physicist or an astronomer to give you a

1218
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,520
kind of graphical representation of the

1219
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,680
distance between the stars and you know

1220
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:09,280
everyone's heard these things and it is

1221
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:11,920
it's immense it's like beyond immense

1222
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:16,000
and and it's really true that we don't

1223
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:17,359
know of

1224
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:20,960
a confirmed science that will get

1225
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,920
us right now to even the nearest star

1226
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,599
however

1227
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:27,119
this is where i think the science has

1228
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,640
really you know become interesting

1229
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:30,559
because

1230
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,240
if we accept the validity of these many

1231
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:36,880
many ufo reports and if we accept the

1232
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,280
validity of a great amount of testimony

1233
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,440
that indicates at least some of these

1234
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,599
beings don't appear to be human

1235
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:46,079
they don't seem to come from here so

1236
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,839
that's interstellar

1237
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,400
uh travel and how might that be possible

1238
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:52,559
and in fact here's the thing

1239
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,520
we've developed mathematics and science

1240
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,079
in the last 20 25 years

1241
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,240
that go a very long way

1242
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,960
toward explaining just how you can do

1243
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:04,160
interstellar

1244
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:05,440
travel

1245
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,599
and it doesn't take forever and you

1246
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,599
you're not violating any laws of the

1247
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:12,000
speed of light uh limitation but there

1248
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,839
are ways around it it's basically an end

1249
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:16,000
run around this and we're talking about

1250
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,920
is essentially a

1251
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,520
warp drive

1252
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,280
and by that i'm talking about

1253
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:23,599
mathematical equations a gentleman named

1254
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,559
miguel alcaber back in the 1990s did the

1255
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,000
math and he

1256
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,920
seems as far as i can tell it was

1257
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,040
definitive

1258
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,119
uh he developed the theory of warp drive

1259
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:35,680
which is to create a disturbance in

1260
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,480
space-time you're in a craft

1261
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,160
and you need a sufficient amount of

1262
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,480
energy to do this but if you're able to

1263
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:44,240
you can shrink

1264
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,640
space or space-time in front of you

1265
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:48,559
extend it behind you you're in a kind of

1266
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:49,440
space

1267
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,040
time bubble

1268
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:53,200
and so it's a distortion of space-time

1269
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:54,400
would therefore

1270
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:56,720
propel you or actually more accurate

1271
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:58,720
more accurately your spaceship

1272
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,359
forward like a surfer riding a wave

1273
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:03,119
within that bubble you're not breaking

1274
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:05,680
any laws of physics but what you're

1275
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,559
actually doing is you're warping

1276
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:10,559
space and and time while you're at it

1277
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,359
because space and time or fabric now

1278
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,440
the biggest problem with that

1279
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,960
mathematics which again appear to be

1280
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,400
totally sound

1281
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:20,079
is that scientists have said well we

1282
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:21,680
have no idea how to generate that much

1283
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,480
energy to warp space-time but now i'm

1284
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:26,800
hearing it was a i think it was a paper

1285
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:29,200
by uh physicist eric davis

1286
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:31,040
uh recently he's associated with hal put

1287
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:33,040
off he was working with bigelow and he

1288
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,720
were on the nids ranch back the

1289
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:36,640
skinwalker ranch in the 90s but eric

1290
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:37,760
davis

1291
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,440
if i'm not mistaken has suggested that

1292
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,960
there may be

1293
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,800
ways of

1294
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,800
generating the amount of energy and it

1295
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,559
may not be as much

1296
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,319
as we had thought so

1297
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:50,240
whether that's true or not i don't know

1298
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:52,880
but it seems to me that our scientists

1299
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:53,760
are

1300
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:56,640
definitely moving ahead that's just one

1301
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:58,960
fascinating science that is the sp

1302
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:01,920
science of interstellar travel and what

1303
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:03,920
amazes me is that you've got this

1304
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,720
phenomenon we call it ufos

1305
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:07,680
it gets

1306
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,160
ignored even now even a year after the

1307
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,400
new york times piece on the a-tip

1308
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:14,480
program and everything

1309
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,839
you know the subject is still ignored by

1310
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:19,839
the establishment culture establishment

1311
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:22,240
media and yet it intersects with so many

1312
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,440
cutting-edge

1313
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,880
sciences

1314
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:26,800
you know whether it's space time or

1315
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,839
whether we're talking like

1316
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:29,359
electrogravitics that's another thing we

1317
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,559
can get into

1318
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:32,400
or uh energy you know what are they

1319
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,000
using are they using nuclear fusion are

1320
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,000
you using zero point how do they get

1321
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:37,920
from here to there they're obviously not

1322
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:40,839
using petroleum using something else

1323
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:44,079
um and dimensions string theory all of

1324
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,359
these things

1325
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:47,680
have their connection in one way or

1326
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,800
another

1327
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:51,200
to ufos even entanglement and

1328
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:52,559
consciousness

1329
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:54,839
so there's all these fascinating

1330
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:57,920
sciences that bump into the ufo subject

1331
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,880
or that the ufo subject bumps in too

1332
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:02,800
that might be a better way to put it and

1333
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:05,599
yet the ufo subject continually gets

1334
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,800
ignored

1335
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,240
year after year

1336
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,400
when there's so much potential for real

1337
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,000
scientific

1338
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:14,720
um progress to be made by a

1339
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:17,119
sophisticated study of it yeah i think

1340
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:20,559
we're getting closer to that too um now

1341
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:21,440
when

1342
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:23,760
it like i said it's just a numbers game

1343
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:25,839
so when you start to put all of this

1344
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,880
forward where science is saying okay

1345
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:30,960
there isn't just us

1346
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:33,599
and it wasn't this is the thing it was

1347
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:36,559
just one lifetime ago richard one

1348
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:40,160
lifetime ago 1925 this is 2018 going

1349
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:43,200
into 2019 one lifetime ago

1350
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:44,079
there

1351
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,839
the universe was the milky way

1352
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,520
one lifetime ago

1353
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:51,760
you know and and that number that number

1354
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:54,640
one is significant not only uh was it

1355
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:57,760
one lifetime ago but there was only

1356
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,720
one it was us that's it and here we are

1357
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,040
today where science is going wait a

1358
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,000
minute here it's it's much bigger these

1359
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,240
numbers are daunting it it's a crazy

1360
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,720
situation there is no way that we are

1361
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,760
alone

1362
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,079
now let's figure out how we could be

1363
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:16,720
getting visited and i think science now

1364
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:19,520
is is is right here there not only with

1365
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,520
with the ufo community it's just that

1366
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:23,200
it's a numbers game and that's the way

1367
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,160
that they work and now they have uh the

1368
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,400
ability to see these exoplanets and

1369
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:30,480
understand what's going on and now they

1370
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,079
can seriously start to consider these

1371
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,160
it's just an amazing universe that we

1372
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:38,000
live in i mean we think of the milky way

1373
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,760
galaxy and you're right like up until

1374
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,520
the 20s no one understood that there

1375
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,839
were other galaxies our galaxy has i

1376
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:45,760
don't really even remember the number of

1377
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:48,160
stars trillions something who knows i

1378
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,960
don't

1379
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,280
many many many trillions of stars

1380
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:53,119
and there are

1381
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,319
trillions of galaxies good grief and

1382
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,640
then you think of the space between the

1383
00:56:02,710 --> 00:55:59,839
galaxies

1384
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,720
which is beyond immense i can't even how

1385
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,559
do you fathom that yeah i know and this

1386
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:06,559
is an incredible incredible universe

1387
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,160
that we find ourselves in there's

1388
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,559
incredible there's one other uh aspect

1389
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:12,960
to this too as well and i invite

1390
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:15,200
everybody the audience to go and do this

1391
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,400
kepler when you look at the uh kepler uh

1392
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:20,720
images of of the galaxies of the

1393
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:21,760
universe

1394
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,480
it's galaxy clusters

1395
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,960
right and so you look at these kepler

1396
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,040
images right you're looking at all these

1397
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:31,200
galaxies right and then and then you'll

1398
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,000
see uh uh some images that have a bunch

1399
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:37,040
of orange dots in them look like stars

1400
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:38,880
right or whatever those are galaxy

1401
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:40,799
clusters so where you're thinking you're

1402
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,599
looking at wow 150 000 galaxies this is

1403
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:45,359
great this is amazing look at all the

1404
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:46,799
and what's inside of those that's the

1405
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,119
galaxy cluster right and then and then

1406
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,799
yeah and wait a minute then you go to

1407
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:53,200
the galaxy clusters and and get those

1408
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:56,319
enlarged and look what you thought was

1409
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,839
just a star or a dot or a galaxy it's

1410
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:01,839
actually another

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00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,359
100 000 galaxies you know it's it's like

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00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:07,680
nuts right it's just like

1413
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,960
it's crazy and i love it i just i i just

1414
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,880
love it so i i it's just something

1415
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:14,880
that's so fascinating to me so when we

1416
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:17,119
come back let's talk about

1417
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,319
uh these propulsion systems and and how

1418
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,480
these civilizations could be

1419
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,400
investigating the universe and checking

1420
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:26,240
us out and we'll do all of that richard

1421
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,680
you ready for this

1422
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:29,760
i hope so it's like buckle up kitties

1423
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:31,839
let's do this it's our fifth year it's

1424
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,640
our fifth year and it's richard bleepin

1425
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,400
dolan i thought he was gonna say

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00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,319
carpenter's christmas song by the way

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00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,079
i'm just gonna let everybody know i

1428
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:43,040
thought richard was going there

1429
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:44,640
actually that's what i listened to today

1430
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,000
but i couldn't admit it i had to go

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00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:48,319
brutalize at the carpenter we'll be

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right there as well

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00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,559
yes yes we'll be right back this is fade

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00:57:58,060 --> 00:57:54,000
to black our guest tonight richard owen

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,160
your host jimmy church on the game

1554
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,480
changer network and kg ra the planet i

1555
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,319
want to welcome everybody

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01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:40,799
this is very special evening it's our

1557
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:43,280
last guest of the year richard dolan

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01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:45,599
it's our fifth anniversary

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01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:47,440
and uh it's a very cool night and i do

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01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:49,359
want to thank richard uh for uh doing

1561
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:50,960
this during the holiday season once

1562
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:53,200
again and richard okay so talking about

1563
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,280
the signs of this i'm gonna get to this

1564
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:57,440
point as quick as possible

1565
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:01,039
uh probably 20 years ago this thought

1566
01:04:06,270 --> 01:04:04,640
popped into my head and it was uh uh

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01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:06,280
talking about uh

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01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:08,720
nanotechnology and i was

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01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:11,760
into that at the time and the thought of

1570
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:13,599
self-replicating

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01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:16,400
nanobots you know infesting the earth

1572
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,440
and the singularity and all of it the

1573
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:21,280
great yeah

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01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:23,440
right right so but i i thought about

1575
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,520
that and i thought but that's

1576
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:28,079
that's how they're getting here

1577
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:30,480
you know not necessarily one big

1578
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:33,440
mothership which is you know another way

1579
01:04:37,029 --> 01:04:35,520
that they're doing it i'm sure about

1580
01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:37,039
that but

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building as they go

1582
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:41,119
that's how you know jump finding an

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01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:42,400
asteroid

1584
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:44,000
getting the the minerals and the

1585
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:45,839
resources out of that

1586
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,160
and and and building and and landing on

1587
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,400
a planet and and getting rea and and

1588
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:52,880
building you know more pro and just i

1589
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:55,280
think that's quite reasonable right that

1590
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:57,359
and the fact that they're very possibly

1591
01:05:01,750 --> 01:04:59,440
the result of uh some kind of very

1592
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advanced artificial intelligence

1593
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themselves either either created as

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biological forms by an artificial

1595
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intelligence or created as uh artificial

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intelligence themselves and and partly

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01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:14,400
organic and partly inorganic for all we

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know i mean there's all kinds of

1599
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:18,160
permutations there but all of those yeah

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and i want to stay on that thought

1601
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:21,599
that's a great

1602
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:23,440
point to bring out

1603
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:26,400
if you are uh

1604
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:29,359
on your way to say planet earth right

1605
01:05:36,309 --> 01:05:33,359
and we spewed out uh some radio stuff

1606
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:36,319
now they they they now have a language

1607
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:38,880
to decode right and to figure out and

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01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,640
they've got all the time in the world to

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01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:42,240
do that right

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01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:44,319
they're traveling the stars

1611
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:47,039
and so by the time they get here

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01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,520
uh uh television transmit now they've

1613
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,839
got our image they know what we look

1614
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:53,839
like they know what we talk like and by

1615
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:56,319
the time they get here

1616
01:06:02,069 --> 01:05:59,599
they built some biological

1617
01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:02,079
right android entity

1618
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:05,599
to represent us so we don't freak out

1619
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:07,119
i've wondered i've wondered this for

1620
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:08,160
sure

1621
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:10,160
and you know there's a lot of uh there

1622
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:11,760
are many many

1623
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:13,039
uh

1624
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:16,160
claims of people having encountered

1625
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:18,720
beings who look exactly like us but who

1626
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:21,119
are not like us and i mean this and of

1627
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:23,119
course this goes along with

1628
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:24,799
pardon me um claims that people have

1629
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:26,480
gone on craft

1630
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:29,039
and encountered both alien and human

1631
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:30,400
looking beings

1632
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:32,960
travis walton travis walton walden

1633
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:34,400
probably the most famous of them yeah

1634
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:35,920
but there's many many claims of people

1635
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:38,000
who've encountered uh completely

1636
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:41,520
human-looking operators of these ufos

1637
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:42,960
and that can lead you to a couple of

1638
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:44,720
possibilities a

1639
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:48,880
is the ufo phenomenon solely human

1640
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:51,599
done uh created by a

1641
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:53,920
just a basically a secret civilization

1642
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:56,480
here on planet earth a secret breakaway

1643
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,200
civilization of sorts or

1644
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:01,599
are these other beings

1645
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:04,000
from elsewhere but the humans are are

1646
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:06,799
like avatars of their society

1647
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:08,960
uh or creations of their society in one

1648
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,160
way or another i mean you can really get

1649
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:12,240
into a lot of possibilities here yeah

1650
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:14,480
and and and if you flip it around

1651
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:16,160
which is something that you like to do

1652
01:07:21,029 --> 01:07:18,640
no i somebody said did jimmy just snort

1653
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:21,039
you know that wasn't me that was richard

1654
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:22,880
just but he sounds like me he's got that

1655
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:26,079
radio voice i uh i might have snorted

1656
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:33,270
is is this let's let's flip it around

1657
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:34,480
for a second

1658
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:36,559
you and i right we're on our starship

1659
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,240
cruiser we're going out we found a

1660
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:40,559
planet that's got oxygen and water and

1661
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:43,359
the possibility of life and maybe

1662
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:46,079
maybe some type of electronic signals uh

1663
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:47,920
come off of it

1664
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:49,680
well now now i'm coughing thanks for

1665
01:07:52,470 --> 01:07:51,039
that richard

1666
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:52,480
is this

1667
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:53,839
are you and i

1668
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:55,359
going to

1669
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:59,280
be first down on to this planet

1670
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:00,880
you're not going to want to go first i'm

1671
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:02,640
not going to want to go first of course

1672
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:05,359
not we're going to build something to go

1673
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,240
down onto that planet to check it out

1674
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:10,480
whether it be a robot or some type of

1675
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:13,359
android or some type of biological thing

1676
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,119
that we're going to create

1677
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:17,279
but we're not going to set foot down

1678
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:19,759
there first are we of course not and so

1679
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:22,640
why would we expect the same from e.t

1680
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,319
yeah exactly you know it's funny i was

1681
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:26,319
just uh recently thinking and talking

1682
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:28,239
about remember the famous condon

1683
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:30,080
committee report in fact since we were

1684
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:32,880
talking about science that was allegedly

1685
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:35,679
a scientific study of the ufo phenomenon

1686
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:37,600
back in the 1960s of course in

1687
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,480
retrospect it was a sham of a scientific

1688
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:42,239
study i mean an embarrassment really for

1689
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:44,080
anyone who really believes in science

1690
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:48,400
but um in that report the lead physicist

1691
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:51,279
of the project edward condon

1692
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:53,600
rhode um he was very very frustrated

1693
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,839
with ufos and was a very strong skeptic

1694
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:57,759
debunker type and he just said look if

1695
01:09:01,910 --> 01:09:00,080
these aliens really wanted

1696
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:01,920
to uh show themselves why don't they

1697
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:03,679
just land he didn't say on the white

1698
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,560
house lawn but for a meeting of

1699
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:08,799
the national association of physicists

1700
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:11,279
while we were having an annual meeting

1701
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:12,080
and

1702
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,560
you know how their

1703
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,640
capabilities are and so forth and i just

1704
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:22,560
thought what a stupid thing to say like

1705
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,040
what an embarrassingly dumb thing

1706
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:27,600
for an american a famous american

1707
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:29,839
physicist to say relating to

1708
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:31,359
the landing of extraterrestrial life

1709
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:33,359
like that's exactly not how it would go

1710
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:36,080
down under any logical situation you

1711
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:38,000
just wouldn't ever

1712
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:39,359
expect anything like that and i think

1713
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:40,880
what you just said

1714
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:43,520
uh you're not a famous physicist but is

1715
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:46,400
far more logical than what edward condon

1716
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:48,239
hypothesized that would be the likely

1717
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:50,080
thing and i think we're getting closer

1718
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:52,159
to this type of mindset

1719
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:52,960
you know

1720
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:54,960
our science uh

1721
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:58,320
is is one thing but us as humans

1722
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:00,560
we're getting smarter every single day

1723
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:07,110
if you know what i'm saying you know

1724
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:08,560
we're starting to grow up we really

1725
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:10,320
don't know if we're right i think it may

1726
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:12,800
not be i think like really

1727
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:15,600
we may be becoming less intelligent

1728
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:17,120
uh with each generation and certainly

1729
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:18,880
over each century i'm not i'm not really

1730
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:20,239
not sure that we're becoming more

1731
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:21,600
intelligent but

1732
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:22,800
do you think we are do you think we're

1733
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:24,159
becoming more intelligent i think we're

1734
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:27,600
understanding things i think we are

1735
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:30,880
understanding things make uh much more

1736
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,760
sense

1737
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:34,320
and if we go back to right yeah our

1738
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,280
leading science is doing a pretty good

1739
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:39,040
job at figuring things out i'll agree

1740
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:41,199
with there yeah yeah you know i think uh

1741
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:43,040
i think we're just getting a little bit

1742
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:44,880
smarter that's all that's all we're

1743
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:48,719
growing up you know if we look at all of

1744
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,040
uh humanity you know going back let's go

1745
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:54,159
back 150 000 years and to where we are

1746
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:57,040
today and where we have come in the last

1747
01:11:01,750 --> 01:10:59,199
hundred years you know what that makes

1748
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,760
us like eight years old then you know

1749
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:03,840
we're just getting we're just we're just

1750
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:06,400
getting uh you know a little more mature

1751
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:08,960
and a little more sensible about things

1752
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:11,600
and certainly about our universe and

1753
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:13,760
and and and maybe i'm just going to put

1754
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:16,480
this out for you sure our brains are 10

1755
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:19,440
to 15 percent smaller than our forebears

1756
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:21,199
of just 10 000 years ago you know

1757
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,520
hunters and gatherers do you know

1758
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:25,679
smaller do you know why i can tell you

1759
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,880
why i yes well i i also do know why at

1760
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:30,400
least i think i know i know what some of

1761
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,440
the leading

1762
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:33,360
leading hypotheses are which i i think

1763
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,640
are credible

1764
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:36,000
okay i'll give you my theory if you give

1765
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:38,000
me yours okay who's who's gonna go for

1766
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:41,520
i'll go first because i i i'll inflame

1767
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:43,520
everybody

1768
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:45,040
and our hunter-gatherer four bears of

1769
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:51,750
that's right i said it i said it i said

1770
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:53,040
it it's our diet

1771
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:54,560
be onto something i think i think that's

1772
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:57,280
part of it yeah yeah sugar and protein

1773
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:00,000
red meat now that that's sugars are

1774
01:12:03,669 --> 01:12:02,640
fairly recent a very reasonable that's

1775
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:03,679
why

1776
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,040
that's right that's a couple of years

1777
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:07,360
that's right basically hold on

1778
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,960
uh it's this what got us here our

1779
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:12,640
development

1780
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:15,679
to right here right now were a couple of

1781
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:19,120
things one we ate red meat

1782
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:20,400
forever

1783
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:23,600
okay it wasn't until 10 000 years ago

1784
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:27,040
where we developed the ability to break

1785
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:30,159
down starches in our mouth that's right

1786
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,679
okay so

1787
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:33,840
that was the beginning of the degrading

1788
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,430
and um

1789
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:39,600
i agree with you so we're we're on it i

1790
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:41,840
just read this really cool book uh

1791
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:43,520
earlier this year called against the

1792
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:46,000
grain isn't that an interesting title by

1793
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:48,000
uh i think he's over at yale

1794
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:51,360
uh named james scott and um

1795
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:52,800
i've talked about him a lot this year i

1796
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:55,120
wonder how he thinks about having a ufo

1797
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:56,560
researcher really into his book but

1798
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:58,960
anyway be that as it may

1799
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:00,960
uh he makes this argument essentially

1800
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:03,040
the amount of mass that we've lost from

1801
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:04,960
our brain is equivalent to someone

1802
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:07,280
taking an ice cream scoop to their brain

1803
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:08,960
and removing that amount and then you

1804
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:10,560
get our brain like that's actually how

1805
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:14,159
much uh they've lost and and it's it's

1806
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:16,719
partly the the protein or the meat thing

1807
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,400
i think that's true

1808
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,400
but i think even in a more general sense

1809
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:22,320
it's you know when we think of how we

1810
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:24,800
domesticated other animals like the

1811
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,920
sheep or like the dog or like goats well

1812
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:29,760
we've also he pointed out similarly

1813
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,239
domesticated ourselves as a species

1814
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:34,320
because it's not simply that our brains

1815
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,239
are smaller we have 20 percent less bone

1816
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:38,880
density we have less muscle mass our

1817
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:40,880
best athletes today would be totally run

1818
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:43,199
of the mill uh 10 000 years ago it's an

1819
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:44,960
amazing thing now

1820
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:46,719
scientists today will say well yeah we

1821
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,320
have a smaller brain but it's better

1822
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:50,640
organized which is like that's first of

1823
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,440
all

1824
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:54,000
pretty

1825
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:55,679
lame booby prize if you really get down

1826
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:56,960
to it like oh yeah we're better

1827
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:58,800
organized it's a smaller brain

1828
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:01,360
so i think um what it what it means is

1829
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:04,480
that the hunter gatherers had much more

1830
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:06,159
to do with their brain actually than we

1831
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:08,960
do like they had to be on their game

1832
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:12,480
every single day you had to know

1833
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:14,239
where the birds are migrating what time

1834
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:15,360
of year they're migrating where are

1835
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:16,880
these animals going to migrate from here

1836
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:18,640
to there and how do you how do you

1837
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,760
organize yourself to be able to capture

1838
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:23,520
that amount of food and so forth like

1839
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:24,320
it's

1840
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:27,600
really amazing the amount of planning

1841
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:29,120
and coordination that had to be done in

1842
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:30,719
that type of society

1843
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:33,199
and with uh sedentary agriculture so

1844
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,239
it's partly diet but partly just uh the

1845
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:38,159
way that we live in these

1846
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:40,480
in these societies uh certain types of

1847
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:42,239
skills are not needed yeah the brain

1848
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:43,840
never shut down

1849
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:47,040
survive

1850
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:48,080
sleep

1851
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:53,840
it wasn't about relaxation you had to

1852
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:55,520
figure out how you were going to make it

1853
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:57,199
through the night

1854
01:15:03,030 --> 01:14:59,679
right so your brain never shut down it

1855
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:03,040
was it was it was uh focused on survival

1856
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:04,960
and and and

1857
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,920
expanding your family right

1858
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:09,520
and and eating

1859
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:12,400
24 7. it was constantly constantly

1860
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:14,560
thinking today so anyway when you're

1861
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:15,600
saying that you think we're getting

1862
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:17,360
smarter like i i understand what you

1863
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:20,320
mean like we're learning more about the

1864
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:21,199
way the

1865
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:23,120
world and the universe is but i i don't

1866
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:25,760
really know like in our society

1867
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:27,280
even if we actually are becoming more

1868
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:29,040
intelligent i think in a lot of ways one

1869
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:30,960
can argue we're becoming much less

1870
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,159
intelligent

1871
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:34,480
than uh our even even like our great

1872
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:37,199
grandparents generation or prior

1873
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:41,280
now okay so so back to the ufo question

1874
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:45,280
when we look at the basic of the basics

1875
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:47,120
which is entropy

1876
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,520
right that's it if we just and and you

1877
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:52,320
can apply that to the your day-to-day

1878
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:54,000
existence right you start off in the

1879
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:56,080
morning pretty organized you get to the

1880
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:57,760
end of the day and it's all come apart

1881
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:58,480
right

1882
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:01,600
or or you can look at it uh as the

1883
01:16:04,709 --> 01:16:03,040
universe and the big bang or you can

1884
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:04,719
look at us as a

1885
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:06,719
society today which is coming apart at

1886
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:10,400
the seams whatever it is well certainly

1887
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:14,239
et is dealing with those same things so

1888
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:16,400
they would have to

1889
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:19,840
organize get keep it together and not

1890
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:22,800
dissolve as a civilization

1891
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:25,360
long enough to come here

1892
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:28,239
so they may have figured uh figured out

1893
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:31,360
a way to get around entropy and we need

1894
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:33,360
to figure that out if we're going to go

1895
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:34,800
to the stars if we're going to go

1896
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:36,080
interstellar

1897
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:38,560
we need to be around in the future we

1898
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:41,280
need to figure out how to not come apart

1899
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:42,640
may i suggest one thing that i think

1900
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:44,800
they may have done

1901
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,480
uh and you may not you're not going to

1902
01:16:51,669 --> 01:16:48,960
like this but one thing they may have

1903
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:51,679
done is look if you really go by the

1904
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:53,520
research of some let's say abduction

1905
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:55,679
researchers people like david jacobs for

1906
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:56,719
example

1907
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:57,760
um

1908
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:01,280
other these researchers who who talk

1909
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:02,640
about these

1910
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,280
uh aliens that have a kind of hive mind

1911
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:07,120
uh in which they're totally telepathic

1912
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:08,880
with each other but they also have no

1913
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:11,360
free will they have no

1914
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:13,840
uh if if one believes in this scenario

1915
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:16,719
no real creativity no real independent

1916
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:17,679
will

1917
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:19,920
uh it's all group think and that

1918
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:22,239
actually can be an advantage in the

1919
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:23,280
sense that

1920
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:25,360
it would it would um

1921
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:27,199
mitigate against a lot of

1922
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:29,520
fluctuations within the society and we

1923
01:17:33,189 --> 01:17:31,840
one thing about human society makes us

1924
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:33,199
very interesting but it also makes us

1925
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:35,120
unstable is that we've got all these

1926
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:36,560
different people with different ideas

1927
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:38,640
and we argue with each other and we're

1928
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:40,800
fighting for resources and so forth if

1929
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:42,560
we live like the borg

1930
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:44,560
like within a hive mind where we're all

1931
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:46,800
just following orders or we're all

1932
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:49,440
literally created artificially created

1933
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:51,679
for a purpose and we do not exceed that

1934
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:52,719
purpose

1935
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:53,679
uh

1936
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:55,040
first of all that would be a horrible

1937
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:57,600
way for i think all of us to live i

1938
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:59,280
think it's fair to agree

1939
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:00,960
but it would also create a much more

1940
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:02,400
stable

1941
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:09,600
and it could just allow them

1942
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:12,400
as long as they're not dealing with

1943
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:16,000
new challenges to them

1944
01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:17,600
they could be stable for a very long

1945
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:20,000
time like that and control

1946
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:21,120
entropy

1947
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:23,840
very very very interesting point yeah

1948
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:26,480
that's until they themselves you know i

1949
01:18:29,990 --> 01:18:28,080
mean in the way that this is how

1950
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:30,000
evolution works like think of an animal

1951
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,520
like the shark

1952
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:33,679
the shark hasn't changed in evolutionary

1953
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:35,760
terms or at least most shark species

1954
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:37,520
haven't for a long time like the shark's

1955
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:39,280
been a very stable

1956
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,800
species for a long long time

1957
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:43,920
um

1958
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:45,280
and there's not a whole lot of

1959
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:47,199
innovation in a shark like a shark just

1960
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:49,679
it's a it's an ocean killing machine

1961
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:51,520
right right but it's able to do that

1962
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:54,800
because it's incredibly well designed

1963
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:57,920
to do what it does and so it's been a

1964
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:00,560
very stable form for a long time now if

1965
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:03,280
the shark were to deal with an ocean

1966
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:05,760
predator that was much more intense than

1967
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:08,719
it i'm much more capable than it rather

1968
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:10,640
then it would it would face its problem

1969
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:12,080
in fact it's doing that now because it's

1970
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:14,480
coming up against human beings and it's

1971
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:17,360
a shark can't really adapt

1972
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:20,080
to those threats and and um

1973
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:20,880
and

1974
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:26,000
may be very very well adapted

1975
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:30,159
to dominate its ecosystem as it were

1976
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:31,760
until

1977
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,800
it comes up with against the species

1978
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:36,960
that is perhaps more capable more

1979
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:38,800
creative more dangerous

1980
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:39,920
and then

1981
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:41,840
they might have to adapt from their hive

1982
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:44,560
mentality conceivably into something

1983
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:46,640
that might be more innovative

1984
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:49,040
i'm just hypothesizing here but

1985
01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:51,679
um but it does seem to me that as long

1986
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:55,040
as a species doesn't encounter grave

1987
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:56,640
uh threats

1988
01:20:01,750 --> 01:19:58,239
from somewhere else

1989
01:20:06,110 --> 01:20:01,760
they can survive a long long time

1990
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:06,120
under conditions of basically a complete

1991
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:09,840
totalitarian hive like society

1992
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:12,800
if we one of the uh one of the basic

1993
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:16,719
questions that i have when we consider

1994
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:19,199
all of this uh

1995
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,000
you know e.t uh you know civilizations

1996
01:20:26,630 --> 01:20:24,239
that are out there which are probably in

1997
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:26,640
the tens of millions it's not one two

1998
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:29,600
three four it is it's an extraordinarily

1999
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:32,960
large number that has been reproducing

2000
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:36,000
and and and uh you know interstellar

2001
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:38,480
travel and taking over planets and and

2002
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:40,000
moving forward and expanding just like

2003
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:41,520
we do here on earth you know that's what

2004
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:45,040
we do we we go and occupy new land and

2005
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:47,600
and we do that we grow well

2006
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:50,000
if that is the case

2007
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:54,000
why haven't they done that here

2008
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:56,800
it's like this weird situation where

2009
01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:58,159
obviously we're

2010
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:00,560
monitored they are obviously here

2011
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:02,320
they've been checking us out there's

2012
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,360
been

2013
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:05,760
enough communication and evidence of

2014
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:07,040
this for

2015
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:09,520
for millennia

2016
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:13,199
why haven't they done that here or

2017
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:15,440
they just haven't arrived yet

2018
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:16,960
why haven't they i'm sorry why haven't

2019
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:18,719
you taken over that yeah taking over the

2020
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:19,920
planet yeah

2021
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:21,679
well yes an interesting theory i

2022
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:23,679
mentioned dave jacobs a little earlier

2023
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:25,760
in partly because i i recently chatted

2024
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:28,320
with him and uh and had a really long

2025
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:30,159
engaging conversation with him about his

2026
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:31,360
research

2027
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:35,360
it's very interesting um that he

2028
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:37,280
you know still and very strongly i would

2029
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:38,719
say believes that

2030
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:41,520
there had has not been a plan for an

2031
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:44,000
alien takeover until

2032
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:45,760
really sometime maybe it began in the

2033
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:49,040
19th century so relatively recently

2034
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:52,000
um and so that's how he would explain it

2035
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,360
he says they've actually they've been

2036
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:55,120
doing it they're working on it and it's

2037
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:56,400
just taking a little bit of time but

2038
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:58,080
they're patient and they're doing it by

2039
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:59,520
means of infiltration rather than

2040
01:22:02,310 --> 01:22:00,719
destroying us

2041
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:02,320
but then i would i said to him well what

2042
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:03,440
about

2043
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:05,199
the phenomenon of ancient ufos or

2044
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:06,880
ancient aliens i mean don't you do you

2045
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:08,159
have an opinion about this do you think

2046
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:09,840
that we've been visited for a long time

2047
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:12,639
i mean many of us do believe this

2048
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:13,520
um

2049
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:14,960
and it was just interesting for me to

2050
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:17,440
talk to of an extremely

2051
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:20,080
i mean dave is a very very uh

2052
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,760
knowledgeable person about the entire

2053
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:23,520
ufo phenomenon

2054
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:25,920
and his attitude was well it's possible

2055
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:27,600
that they were here others have been

2056
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,920
here a long time he doesn't rule it out

2057
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:31,840
but he says look we really

2058
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:33,840
the evidence we have is not in his

2059
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:36,000
opinion a slam dunk

2060
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:37,120
and

2061
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:40,080
if those others have been here long ago

2062
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:42,080
they don't seem to be here now

2063
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:44,239
uh they may have come and gone but his

2064
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:46,159
that's his opinion now

2065
01:22:50,629 --> 01:22:48,880
i don't know if i agree with that um

2066
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:50,639
it seems

2067
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:52,639
like there's something wrong with that

2068
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:54,400
on the other hand it's hard to argue

2069
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:55,440
against

2070
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:57,199
the idea of this what you're question

2071
01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:59,199
asking this idea of an alien takeover

2072
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:00,639
like if

2073
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:02,639
if the grays

2074
01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:05,440
were here a thousand years ago

2075
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,760
and engaging in a hybridization program

2076
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:09,600
they would have done it by now it would

2077
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:11,040
have been done

2078
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:13,120
so maybe david's right and that the the

2079
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:16,239
gray aliens or the insectal and aliens

2080
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:19,040
as he calls them are only a recent

2081
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:20,560
addition

2082
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:23,040
only recently arrived here

2083
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:25,120
and that there may have been other

2084
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:27,520
other types of interactions in earlier

2085
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,040
earlier times

2086
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,679
it's hard to know i think that

2087
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:33,600
you know we're still like little kids

2088
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:35,520
looking through a

2089
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:37,840
dark glass window into a store where

2090
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:39,360
we're not allowed inside and we're just

2091
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,719
trying to figure out what's going on

2092
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:42,400
there's still so much that is opaque to

2093
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:44,400
us and that's the maddening thing yeah

2094
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:45,920
yeah all i can say is that there's

2095
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:47,440
there's definitely another intelligence

2096
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:49,760
or intelligences that are interacting

2097
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:51,040
with us here

2098
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:52,960
and um

2099
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:55,120
you know i i feel like we're making

2100
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:57,760
we've made some progress over the last

2101
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,560
uh several generations but we have a

2102
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:02,560
long way to go and figuring this out

2103
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:05,520
yeah and i keep going back to

2104
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:06,400
uh

2105
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,800
when when i try to answer that question

2106
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,800
well why haven't they done it you know

2107
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:12,880
why well it's

2108
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:14,239
we keep

2109
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:16,400
thinking that earth

2110
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:19,360
is the only perfect planet that this is

2111
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:22,080
the only one like you know that

2112
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:25,040
it's so unique here and in the water and

2113
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,719
and the distance from the sun it's just

2114
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:28,800
so unique

2115
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:30,480
i'm going to be straight that the

2116
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:32,800
minerals the things the resources that

2117
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:33,760
are here

2118
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:36,159
are scattered all over this galaxy and

2119
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:38,400
there are bigger and better planets and

2120
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:41,440
more cool places than earth it just may

2121
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:44,719
not be that appealing there may be you

2122
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:47,199
know other well i i i'm just trying to

2123
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:49,040
figure it out i think earth would be of

2124
01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:51,679
value um we have a lot of heavy minerals

2125
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:54,560
we've got an abundance of of life and

2126
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:56,400
even if life is uh

2127
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:58,000
abundant elsewhere in the universe we

2128
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:00,400
still have i would say unique

2129
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,120
potentially many unique forms of genetic

2130
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,440
material that hey if you're if you're

2131
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:07,920
skilled at manipulating genetic material

2132
01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:09,360
that could be quite valuable there could

2133
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:11,679
be a number of reasons why other beings

2134
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:13,679
would be interested in us and indeed

2135
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:15,199
interested in us

2136
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:16,880
human beings

2137
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:18,800
it's easy for us to disparage ourselves

2138
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:21,280
but i i maintain that we're really a

2139
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:23,120
fascinating species

2140
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:26,400
and we have a definite high order of

2141
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:27,600
intelligence

2142
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:28,800
we're not omnipotent we're not

2143
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:29,920
omniscient

2144
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:31,600
but we're able to figure things out and

2145
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:35,040
we're interesting we come up with ideas

2146
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:36,000
um

2147
01:25:38,629 --> 01:25:37,199
we're not totally lame we have

2148
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:38,639
shakespeare and beethoven and we've had

2149
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:40,080
other interesting interesting

2150
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:42,800
intellectuals throughout our our time

2151
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:45,840
so i think um other people other beings

2152
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:47,600
who have been able to

2153
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:49,199
observe us

2154
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:51,840
could very well think you know keep an

2155
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:54,400
eye on these people they may um they may

2156
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:56,480
turn up to do something very interesting

2157
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:59,040
well it you know the the question of

2158
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:00,800
water is brought up a lot we have so

2159
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:02,880
much water on this planet but if you're

2160
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:05,600
an advanced alien species

2161
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:08,639
you are the the most abundant things in

2162
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:11,679
this universe well one of them

2163
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:14,320
the top of the list is hydrogen you can

2164
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:15,040
get

2165
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,960
water is everywhere you could

2166
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:18,960
manufacture it you can extrapolate you

2167
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:20,880
can pull out any minerals anything that

2168
01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:22,960
you need out of any star

2169
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:25,679
if you have the technology you can go

2170
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:27,920
and manufacture and get all of the

2171
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:30,560
resources that you need to build a dyson

2172
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,880
sphere right to be that kind of advanced

2173
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:34,960
civilization to go and do that you're

2174
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:37,360
not using the the the minerals off of

2175
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:39,360
your planet the resources off of your

2176
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:41,040
plant you wouldn't have a planet left

2177
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:42,800
you're going to be able to go and get

2178
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:45,360
those and manufacture that stuff that's

2179
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:48,000
that's my take so that's i'm just trying

2180
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:50,480
to figure out why you know well just

2181
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:53,280
maybe we're not that unique they're here

2182
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:55,600
checking out maybe modifying our dna and

2183
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:57,040
visiting every day because it's

2184
01:27:00,790 --> 01:26:58,400
interesting and they're doing the same

2185
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:00,800
thing with millions of other planets and

2186
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:03,280
cataloging and doing the science and

2187
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:06,400
and and hanging out here sure sure that

2188
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:08,239
all of that is going on but i'm trying

2189
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:09,520
to figure out why we haven't been

2190
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:12,000
invaded right why why we haven't been

2191
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:14,239
wiped off

2192
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:15,440
look

2193
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:17,600
if you are going to have a giant

2194
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,000
colossus mothership and you're going to

2195
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:22,400
travel across the universe to come here

2196
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:24,159
and wipe us out you're not going to have

2197
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:26,320
a shootout with laser guns

2198
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:28,080
you're going to have a virus

2199
01:27:32,149 --> 01:27:29,520
and

2200
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:32,159
whatever it's going to be the craziest

2201
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:34,960
uh instantaneous takeover we wouldn't

2202
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:38,000
even know that it happened right that's

2203
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:40,159
what they'd need some time to figure

2204
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:42,080
that stuff out i mean even a highly

2205
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:43,600
intelligent technologically advanced

2206
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:45,600
other civilization would need to come

2207
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:47,920
here do some tests figure out what kind

2208
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:50,000
of virus can we create and so forth so

2209
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:52,159
it wouldn't it wouldn't be necessarily

2210
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:55,040
immediate but in theory sure i mean

2211
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:56,800
sure

2212
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,520
some kind of crazy atomic weapon

2213
01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:01,280
you know whatever you know but it would

2214
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:02,320
uh

2215
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:03,440
you would think if they had the

2216
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:06,560
resources to have a ship to get here

2217
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they've got all the time in the world

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and and all the technology to to take us

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out so why so why they haven't i don't

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know yeah exactly

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i don't think we have an answer to that

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and that's why you're on this show

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and let's take a break right here

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richard it is our fifth anniversary

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richard bleep and dolan is our guest

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this is faded black i'm your jimmy

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church you can follow me on twitter at

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hey

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01:33:19,990 --> 01:33:17,750
welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:20,000
host jimmy church

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01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:22,800
on the game changer network and kg are a

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the planet tonight is our fifth

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01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:27,760
anniversary very special event because

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01:33:32,709 --> 01:33:30,880
richard bleepin dolan is with us

2319
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:32,719
and richard now i want to get into your

2320
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:37,679
mind a little bit um in in this respect

2321
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:39,600
you see something strange in the sky

2322
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:41,280
we've done that together you've had your

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01:33:44,950 --> 01:33:42,880
own sightings on

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01:33:47,110 --> 01:33:44,960
on your own too as well and we don't

2325
01:33:48,229 --> 01:33:47,120
need to revisit any of that

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01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:48,239
but

2327
01:33:53,510 --> 01:33:51,120
when you see something

2328
01:33:55,590 --> 01:33:53,520
what goes through your mind what how how

2329
01:33:57,990 --> 01:33:55,600
do you start to calculate what how do

2330
01:33:59,669 --> 01:33:58,000
you formulate what what what goes

2331
01:34:02,070 --> 01:33:59,679
through your mind

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01:34:04,390 --> 01:34:02,080
i've only i haven't had too many moments

2333
01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:04,400
in my life when i have seen what i think

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01:34:09,189 --> 01:34:07,520
is a ufo i mean

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01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:09,199
i could say

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01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:12,159
three or maybe even four distinct

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01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:14,639
occasions one of them uh where i was

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01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:16,880
with you at contact in the desert a few

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01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:18,639
years ago

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01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:21,040
and on all of the occasions particularly

2341
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:23,360
the first two where i was with each of

2342
01:34:28,470 --> 01:34:26,000
my children uh first my son and then

2343
01:34:31,270 --> 01:34:28,480
years later with my daughter

2344
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:31,280
um i saw something unusual in the sky

2345
01:34:36,390 --> 01:34:33,840
that really made me stop

2346
01:34:38,629 --> 01:34:36,400
uh and and go through all of the the

2347
01:34:40,149 --> 01:34:38,639
checklist it's like could it be this

2348
01:34:41,350 --> 01:34:40,159
could it be that and could it be this

2349
01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:41,360
and

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01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:42,639
so in other words

2351
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:44,800
like the first time i saw what i feel is

2352
01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:47,360
a ufo i was with my son about 20 years

2353
01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:50,000
ago almost 20 years ago he was very

2354
01:34:52,709 --> 01:34:50,960
little

2355
01:34:54,149 --> 01:34:52,719
and um

2356
01:34:55,910 --> 01:34:54,159
and i've talked about this a few times

2357
01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:55,920
it was a very bright object in the

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01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:58,320
daytime sky that just was incredibly

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01:35:00,550 --> 01:34:59,360
bright

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01:35:02,310 --> 01:35:00,560
and

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01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:02,320
i remember thinking

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01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:04,320
this is unusual don't take your eyes

2363
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:06,719
away that was probably the first most

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01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:07,840
important

2365
01:35:12,629 --> 01:35:10,560
reaction was i was locked in and i'll

2366
01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:12,639
bet this is the case with

2367
01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:14,960
the large majority of people who see a

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01:35:20,470 --> 01:35:17,760
ufo like they can you do not take your

2369
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:20,480
eyes off of it you're fixated and i was

2370
01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:24,159
totally fixated on this thing

2371
01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:25,280
and um

2372
01:35:30,070 --> 01:35:27,040
and then i kept asking myself is that a

2373
01:35:32,149 --> 01:35:30,080
plane why is it moving so oddly why

2374
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:32,159
can't i see what the shape of it is why

2375
01:35:36,390 --> 01:35:34,400
is it so bright why does it seem to be

2376
01:35:38,070 --> 01:35:36,400
just bright directed like right at me

2377
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:38,080
like why is that

2378
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:39,920
and then why do i have this idea in my

2379
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:41,760
mind don't look away because if i look

2380
01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:43,520
away i'll never see it again ever the

2381
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:45,679
most illogical thought that occurred to

2382
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:47,440
me was that thought this actually

2383
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:48,719
happened to me

2384
01:35:53,350 --> 01:35:51,280
it um there was like this

2385
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:53,360
almost a command like don't look away it

2386
01:35:58,790 --> 01:35:56,400
wasn't a command but i felt it like that

2387
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:58,800
and um

2388
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:01,040
so i mean that's what happens with me

2389
01:36:06,149 --> 01:36:03,360
you know it's a very i think i guess

2390
01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:06,159
what i'm trying to say is when

2391
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:07,520
when someone

2392
01:36:11,110 --> 01:36:09,360
and i'm extrapolating other people here

2393
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:11,120
but i'm just going to guess when someone

2394
01:36:17,590 --> 01:36:13,920
sees a ufo

2395
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:17,600
it's like everything stops their mind

2396
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:20,159
just goes at full speed ahead

2397
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:23,280
and absolute focus

2398
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:25,760
it's an unusual feeling

2399
01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:28,320
like every time it's happened to me

2400
01:36:33,910 --> 01:36:31,199
um i felt that my

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01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:33,920
senses were turned way up

2402
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:35,600
i felt that my

2403
01:36:41,510 --> 01:36:38,719
my mind was turned way up and that my

2404
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:41,520
focus was crystal clear i felt like that

2405
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:43,600
every single time

2406
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:45,840
and it's like you have this

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01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:47,280
knowingness that

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01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:49,520
something special is happening

2409
01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:52,080
like i felt that way each time it's

2410
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:53,440
interesting you know i've never really

2411
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:55,760
thought about it in exactly those those

2412
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:58,159
terms but i think it's all true like you

2413
01:37:00,629 --> 01:36:59,199
get this

2414
01:37:02,390 --> 01:37:00,639
deep feeling

2415
01:37:04,709 --> 01:37:02,400
this is different

2416
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:04,719
what did it happen with you yeah

2417
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:08,800
you know uh i i talked about uh this

2418
01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:11,440
sighting i i know that i mentioned it uh

2419
01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:13,440
to you earlier this year when it

2420
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:14,400
happened

2421
01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:17,520
but i i had this daylight sighting up at

2422
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:19,600
uh up at east city

2423
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:21,840
and it just happened to be at east city

2424
01:37:27,030 --> 01:37:25,360
but it was so unique and steve morillo

2425
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:27,040
you know our close friend and you know

2426
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:29,520
steve well right uh was sitting next to

2427
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:32,960
me and this man

2428
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:34,800
daylight right three o'clock in the

2429
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:36,080
afternoon

2430
01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:39,040
and this spinning

2431
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:42,639
it was uh upright like i keep describing

2432
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:45,360
it as a beer can because it had this

2433
01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:47,440
uh it was 14 miles away it popped out

2434
01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:49,199
behind mount adams

2435
01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:51,280
and it was 14 miles away how can you be

2436
01:37:55,430 --> 01:37:53,040
that exact okay

2437
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:55,440
first off i was looking at the top of

2438
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:57,040
mount adams with everybody else in the

2439
01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:58,480
middle of the day with a pair of

2440
01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:01,199
binoculars on a tripod right

2441
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:02,800
so i'm just looking at the mountain

2442
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:05,119
enjoying nature and just watching the

2443
01:38:08,229 --> 01:38:07,040
birds fly around and i'm you know just

2444
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:08,239
just checking out the mountain and all

2445
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:10,639
of a sudden it just happened and right

2446
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:13,920
out behind the mountain uh it was this

2447
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:16,400
giant object uh

2448
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:19,360
it was round it was tubular uh like a

2449
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:23,199
can it's like a can spinning and it had

2450
01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:24,960
a silver

2451
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:27,600
circle in the middle of it like a logo

2452
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:28,480
like

2453
01:38:35,669 --> 01:38:33,679
black with the silver logo and it had

2454
01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:35,679
silver on the top and the bottom

2455
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:38,239
but you know mount adams is 14 miles

2456
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:40,239
away and looking at the size of this

2457
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:42,560
object i'm guessing when i say a couple

2458
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:44,560
hundred feet tall i don't know you know

2459
01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:46,639
it was it was ginormous

2460
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:48,480
and it's spinning right now the whole

2461
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:51,360
thing only lasted about 15 seconds but i

2462
01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:53,840
entered into the zone exactly what

2463
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:56,719
you're talking about i was focused the

2464
01:39:02,709 --> 01:38:59,520
sun is bouncing off of it it's moving

2465
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:02,719
slowly i was able to absorb it the whole

2466
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:04,719
moment and know exactly what i was

2467
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:05,840
looking at

2468
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:09,600
and um it was extraordinary and so

2469
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:10,480
but

2470
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:12,960
i took my eyes off of it

2471
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:15,760
right i did the exact opposite i jumped

2472
01:39:19,830 --> 01:39:17,679
up and was yelling at everybody to shoot

2473
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:19,840
video and to start taking pictures

2474
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:23,199
yeah and and i came back uh to the to

2475
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:25,840
the binoculars and as i go to sit down

2476
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,920
murillo sitting next to me

2477
01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:29,840
yeah with his naked eye goes i see it

2478
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,520
it's black it's got a silver thing it's

2479
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:33,760
spinning and i was like oh thank god

2480
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:36,400
right thank god yes thank god

2481
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:39,040
right and i jump back on the binoculars

2482
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:41,040
i look i see it again

2483
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:43,760
i i get back off look at it with my

2484
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:45,840
naked eye and it's way out there you

2485
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:47,199
know it's black but i could see it

2486
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:48,239
spinning

2487
01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:50,320
and i get back on the binoculars it's

2488
01:39:54,629 --> 01:39:51,520
gone

2489
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:54,639
and i i took my eyes off of it so i

2490
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:57,360
didn't see when i came back to look at

2491
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,000
the naked it's gone it was the thing

2492
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:02,000
about this phenomenon it's really one of

2493
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:04,400
the most maddening things

2494
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:07,600
and we really need to uh

2495
01:40:11,590 --> 01:40:09,840
grasp the significance of this because

2496
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:11,600
this happened to me

2497
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:13,440
it happened to you i think it's happened

2498
01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:15,760
to countless other peoples where

2499
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,159
you're dealing with a phenomenon that is

2500
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:20,560
truly ephemeral that doesn't mean it's

2501
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:23,119
not there it means

2502
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,000
it's there and then it's just gone in

2503
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:28,560
ways that no one can figure out

2504
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,040
this has happened so many times it's

2505
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:33,520
clearly it is a key part

2506
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:36,719
of this phenomenon as as a

2507
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:38,960
as a thing as a physical event in our in

2508
01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:40,320
our universe

2509
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:42,239
it's an important element of it like its

2510
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:43,440
ability

2511
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:46,320
to just leave without us figuring out

2512
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:49,040
how it left yeah you know and that

2513
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:52,000
i have said over and over again

2514
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,360
uh

2515
01:40:57,109 --> 01:40:55,360
my lesson learned

2516
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:57,119
don't get excited

2517
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:00,000
do not get excited do not take your eyes

2518
01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:02,719
off of it because i didn't get to see

2519
01:41:07,270 --> 01:41:04,960
the exit i didn't get to see the finish

2520
01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:07,280
i didn't see it disappear i didn't see

2521
01:41:11,910 --> 01:41:09,440
it vaporized i didn't see it fly away i

2522
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:11,920
didn't see it shoot away i didn't see

2523
01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:12,880
that

2524
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:16,000
and it's i just man what a regret you

2525
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:17,360
know and i don't know

2526
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:19,199
the holy grail right the daylight

2527
01:41:23,350 --> 01:41:21,040
sighting you know something like that i

2528
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,360
don't know if it'll ever happen again

2529
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:25,840
but i didn't get to see uh to see what

2530
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:27,360
happened i didn't see it i'm glad that

2531
01:41:31,430 --> 01:41:29,600
you had the experience honestly and i i

2532
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:31,440
would uh love to have

2533
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:33,520
uh something similar to what i had or

2534
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:36,880
even even better one day but um

2535
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:38,480
that's that's the thing about this

2536
01:41:41,990 --> 01:41:40,560
phenomenon that we are talking about it

2537
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:42,000
makes it very hard to study

2538
01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:43,760
scientifically because it's like it

2539
01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:47,440
appears when it decides to appear

2540
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:48,880
this is one of the problems from a

2541
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:51,440
scientific perspective incidentally like

2542
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:52,800
a scientist

2543
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:56,639
wouldn't necessarily deny that ufos are

2544
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:59,600
are real but a scientist might say

2545
01:42:02,709 --> 01:42:01,199
that's all well and good but from a

2546
01:42:03,990 --> 01:42:02,719
scientific point of view we really can't

2547
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:04,000
do anything with it because we don't

2548
01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:06,239
have a way to examine it

2549
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:07,199
for

2550
01:42:13,750 --> 01:42:11,360
be examined scientifically

2551
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:13,760
there's got to be some control that the

2552
01:42:17,350 --> 01:42:14,960
scientist

2553
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:17,360
is going to have over the experiment

2554
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:21,440
and whether in terms of observation or

2555
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:23,199
you know being able to replicate the

2556
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:25,440
results and so forth then

2557
01:42:28,629 --> 01:42:27,040
the problem is that if we're dealing

2558
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:28,639
with an intelligence that's greater than

2559
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:30,239
our own like

2560
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:32,639
which is very possibly the case right

2561
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:35,920
and if they are in control of this and

2562
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:37,840
we may not have a whole lot that our

2563
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:39,199
science

2564
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:41,520
can do in order to grapple with this and

2565
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:44,080
and instead we find ourselves

2566
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:46,880
kind of mentally flailing at this

2567
01:42:50,629 --> 01:42:49,199
like you did and like i've done and

2568
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:50,639
trying to understand because it you know

2569
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:52,000
in the case when i was with my son when

2570
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:54,080
he was three years old

2571
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:54,880
um

2572
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:57,280
i was staring at this object with a

2573
01:43:01,990 --> 01:43:00,000
great amount of focus but my son was

2574
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,000
demanding my attention

2575
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:04,560
and i thought okay i have to be a father

2576
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:06,880
for a second here so i i took my eyes

2577
01:43:12,149 --> 01:43:09,920
off i actually pointed to it in the sky

2578
01:43:13,510 --> 01:43:12,159
with my left arm to hold its position

2579
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:13,520
and i turned

2580
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,639
for one second to my son one second and

2581
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:18,719
i said hang on i'm watching something

2582
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:20,880
that's it and i went back to look at it

2583
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:22,880
again and it was gone in that one second

2584
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:24,960
that i turned away it had been this very

2585
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:27,119
bright intensely

2586
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:31,360
bright object in a completely cloudless

2587
01:43:34,709 --> 01:43:32,880
sky

2588
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:34,719
where was it going to hide

2589
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:37,040
there is nowhere for it to go right and

2590
01:43:40,870 --> 01:43:38,800
yet it was gone in the second that i

2591
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:40,880
turned away i've never been able to

2592
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:42,960
figure that one out that's just that's

2593
01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:44,719
crazy i know but that's what we're

2594
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:46,880
dealing with see and i had the same

2595
01:43:51,430 --> 01:43:49,040
issue it's funny that these uh

2596
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:51,440
experiences are so similar

2597
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:54,480
that when this disappeared

2598
01:44:01,030 --> 01:43:57,920
this is what um i i thought this is what

2599
01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:01,040
i thought it's moving slowly from east

2600
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:03,840
to west it's spinning i've got

2601
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:06,560
miles and miles and miles of clear blue

2602
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:09,360
sky the direction that it's going in we

2603
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:11,199
can sit here and watch this for the next

2604
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:13,280
five or ten minutes that's what i was

2605
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:16,480
saying yeah exactly exactly and i it was

2606
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:19,280
gone you know i i want to go back uh to

2607
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:20,320
the uh

2608
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:22,480
to the siding with your daughter

2609
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:23,440
um

2610
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:25,280
and you said you were completely yeah

2611
01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:26,960
you were completely focused on that how

2612
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:29,119
did that resolve

2613
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:30,880
that was a late uh not late it was a

2614
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:33,840
late afternoon early evening stroll

2615
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:36,159
with the family my daughter was there

2616
01:44:40,229 --> 01:44:38,880
and our dog we had a new dog

2617
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:40,239
and um

2618
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:43,440
it was mid july so it was a few weeks

2619
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:46,239
before the annual meteor shower

2620
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:48,480
takes place in the like in august but i

2621
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:50,000
keep thinking i wonder was it an early

2622
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:52,320
meteor but in any case we're walking the

2623
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:53,520
dog

2624
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:55,119
and um

2625
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:56,960
and i was just being a goofball and i

2626
01:45:02,310 --> 01:44:58,400
said hey wouldn't it be cool if we all

2627
01:45:04,149 --> 01:45:02,320
looked up and saw a ufo laugh laugh my

2628
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:04,159
daughter and i looked up

2629
01:45:10,229 --> 01:45:07,280
and sure enough this is crazy we saw the

2630
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,239
bright and this bright and large

2631
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:12,239
and fast

2632
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:13,760
fast object

2633
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:17,280
zooming across the sky no airplane moved

2634
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:19,280
this fast but

2635
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:21,199
i've i've seen a lot of meteors and this

2636
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:23,280
was not as fast as a meteor in my

2637
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:25,360
opinion at all not even close

2638
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:27,119
so it was a very it was difficult and it

2639
01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:28,639
was bright it was intense and it was

2640
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:32,080
very level and in a clear sky it moved

2641
01:45:35,430 --> 01:45:34,239
across the sky and went into the

2642
01:45:37,270 --> 01:45:35,440
thinnest

2643
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:37,280
patch of cloud

2644
01:45:41,109 --> 01:45:39,360
and never came out

2645
01:45:43,830 --> 01:45:41,119
my daughter who was eight years old at

2646
01:45:45,669 --> 01:45:43,840
the time she's now 20.

2647
01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:45,679
she got a little scared

2648
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:47,920
you know because it seemed very unusual

2649
01:45:51,270 --> 01:45:49,600
and i remembered

2650
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,280
trying to calm her down and just say no

2651
01:45:54,950 --> 01:45:53,119
no it's probably a meteorite but i

2652
01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:54,960
didn't believe it at the time and i

2653
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:56,400
talked with her about that many years

2654
01:46:00,790 --> 01:45:59,119
later and she still retained a very

2655
01:46:02,790 --> 01:46:00,800
strong visual memory of it in fact i

2656
01:46:05,270 --> 01:46:02,800
think she saw it better than i did

2657
01:46:07,189 --> 01:46:05,280
she saw colors and i just saw white and

2658
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:07,199
i trust her eyes they're much better

2659
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:09,679
than mine right right uh but she had a

2660
01:46:12,950 --> 01:46:11,119
good memory of it and she never thought

2661
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:12,960
it was a media right either but

2662
01:46:17,189 --> 01:46:15,199
so there you go like in both cases like

2663
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:17,199
for me

2664
01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:19,440
there is what i feel with was this kind

2665
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:21,360
of mental connection

2666
01:46:25,270 --> 01:46:23,040
you know in the case with my son i'm

2667
01:46:26,470 --> 01:46:25,280
thinking don't turn away don't look away

2668
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:26,480
don't look away you'll never see it

2669
01:46:30,390 --> 01:46:28,560
again like why would i think that right

2670
01:46:32,709 --> 01:46:30,400
there really was no logic to it and then

2671
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:32,719
i did turn away and it was gone

2672
01:46:36,629 --> 01:46:34,880
and then in case with my daughter

2673
01:46:39,109 --> 01:46:36,639
i made this joke about looking up to

2674
01:46:41,669 --> 01:46:39,119
seeing a ufo and boom

2675
01:46:43,350 --> 01:46:41,679
there was something right there

2676
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:43,360
and you know there have been many other

2677
01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:44,960
times in my life when i've

2678
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:46,480
made jokes about looking up and seeing

2679
01:46:51,109 --> 01:46:48,639
ufos and there was nothing there so

2680
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:51,119
maybe this was a coincidence but

2681
01:46:54,870 --> 01:46:53,360
still i i can't shake it there's both of

2682
01:46:57,430 --> 01:46:54,880
these incidents that

2683
01:47:00,229 --> 01:46:57,440
seem to have a kind of mental

2684
01:47:02,229 --> 01:47:00,239
connection what was next down the

2685
01:47:04,149 --> 01:47:02,239
checklist do you

2686
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:04,159
uh well i'm going to ask you what's next

2687
01:47:08,950 --> 01:47:06,320
down the checklist are you thinking

2688
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:08,960
there's a an intelligent being on this

2689
01:47:14,470 --> 01:47:11,920
craft with a control stick in his hand

2690
01:47:16,229 --> 01:47:14,480
uh where did he come from where what

2691
01:47:18,390 --> 01:47:16,239
what are they doing here what's next on

2692
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:18,400
the checklist well from that's a good

2693
01:47:24,550 --> 01:47:20,960
question for me one of the things i keep

2694
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:24,560
wondering and i i don't like to go

2695
01:47:29,109 --> 01:47:25,679
to this

2696
01:47:31,109 --> 01:47:29,119
but i can't help it is to wonder

2697
01:47:32,950 --> 01:47:31,119
is there someone out there who is

2698
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:32,960
dialed in to me

2699
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:34,960
and to me personally

2700
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:36,560
and i and i'm not the only one who's

2701
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:37,840
ever thought this i know that i'm not

2702
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:39,040
the only one who's ever thought this i

2703
01:47:43,270 --> 01:47:41,280
know a lot of other ufo witnesses

2704
01:47:45,750 --> 01:47:43,280
because i've talked to so many and they

2705
01:47:46,470 --> 01:47:45,760
all say this or many of them say it's as

2706
01:47:48,550 --> 01:47:46,480
if

2707
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,560
they'll feel like

2708
01:47:52,390 --> 01:47:50,320
i had this feeling that this this craft

2709
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:52,400
was connecting with me mentally

2710
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:55,040
i've heard this many times and

2711
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:56,400
i don't know that that happened with me

2712
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:58,320
but i wondered and if if that's the case

2713
01:48:01,590 --> 01:47:59,600
then

2714
01:48:03,590 --> 01:48:01,600
and i don't like to think it because it

2715
01:48:05,109 --> 01:48:03,600
it makes me feel like what do i think

2716
01:48:07,990 --> 01:48:05,119
i'm that special that there's a craft

2717
01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:08,000
that's just gonna be zoned in on me at a

2718
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:09,760
particular time but

2719
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:11,280
i don't know

2720
01:48:16,470 --> 01:48:13,760
it sure felt like it to me

2721
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:16,480
um and so that's a bizarre thought

2722
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:18,560
to think that there's

2723
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:20,480
someone out there

2724
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:22,639
and they pick you

2725
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:24,639
and they say we're gonna give a little

2726
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:26,320
show to this guy right here like that's

2727
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:30,159
just crazy and then with what technology

2728
01:48:35,830 --> 01:48:34,000
total telepathy or is there a an implant

2729
01:48:37,109 --> 01:48:35,840
or what is it you know i mean i don't

2730
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:37,119
know i don't know the answer to any of

2731
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:39,040
these things so these are some crazy

2732
01:48:41,830 --> 01:48:40,159
things that i've thought i've wondered

2733
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:41,840
about and i don't know

2734
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:44,400
if they go those thoughts go anywhere

2735
01:48:51,030 --> 01:48:48,880
yeah we um i i watched uh a video uh

2736
01:48:52,870 --> 01:48:51,040
earlier today that was just released uh

2737
01:48:55,270 --> 01:48:52,880
james gilliland and peter maxwell

2738
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:55,280
slattery put it out it's uh

2739
01:49:00,950 --> 01:48:59,040
um anyway i i make a statement in this

2740
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:00,960
film um

2741
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:03,760
they they were interviewing me after a

2742
01:49:08,229 --> 01:49:05,600
night watch that we had up there and i

2743
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:08,239
said something pretty extraordinary for

2744
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:09,119
me

2745
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,800
this but i did

2746
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:14,719
and it was the morning after uh we had

2747
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:17,040
this night watch and we had a couple

2748
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:19,760
hundred people it was about 200 people

2749
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:20,880
out there

2750
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:23,920
and i said last night we had i don't

2751
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:27,040
know and i'm quoting myself

2752
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:29,840
40 50 60 70

2753
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:32,639
80 i went as high as 80

2754
01:49:36,629 --> 01:49:35,920
craft in the sky zigzagging around

2755
01:49:38,229 --> 01:49:36,639
now

2756
01:49:41,109 --> 01:49:38,239
wait who said this

2757
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:41,119
i said it and and that's you know we

2758
01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:42,239
were out there for two or three hours

2759
01:49:48,709 --> 01:49:45,040
we're there oh yeah it was lagging in

2760
01:49:50,870 --> 01:49:48,719
the sky uncountable okay now but you saw

2761
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:50,880
this oh yeah oh yeah so did everybody

2762
01:49:55,750 --> 01:49:53,920
else i wasn't alone and and we captured

2763
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:55,760
almost all of it on on video but the

2764
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:57,360
point that is

2765
01:50:01,430 --> 01:49:59,040
that you don't like to see the video

2766
01:50:03,750 --> 01:50:01,440
right different directions right

2767
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:03,760
different to just just

2768
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:06,239
and if it's satellites

2769
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:09,520
well i okay so back up with that thought

2770
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:12,560
that i just gave you right 50 60 70

2771
01:50:17,750 --> 01:50:14,560
sightings on an evening

2772
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:17,760
and you go over washington state

2773
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:19,920
right on google earth right and back up

2774
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:21,840
and just look at washington state and

2775
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:24,239
just start zigzagging lines over the top

2776
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:26,480
of it that's not satellites

2777
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:28,800
right going in different directions and

2778
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:31,440
changing you know it it's simply not but

2779
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:33,760
now if it's genuinely zigzagging i think

2780
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:35,440
a lot of people would like to see this

2781
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:37,360
video jimmy i mean look this here's the

2782
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:39,360
thing i'm not saying that that's not the

2783
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:41,360
case but i am saying

2784
01:50:47,109 --> 01:50:42,800
there are so

2785
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:47,119
many times when someone leads a ce5 okay

2786
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:49,119
it's so often ce5s they're like okay

2787
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:50,400
we're gonna go out we're gonna vector in

2788
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:52,480
the aliens and everyone's in this state

2789
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:54,960
of mind to be looking for ufos and you

2790
01:50:59,590 --> 01:50:56,880
know this is true

2791
01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:59,600
and they'll see a satellite like a

2792
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:00,800
satellite

2793
01:51:05,750 --> 01:51:03,520
and the leader of that whatever party

2794
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:05,760
will say oh there's another ufo and

2795
01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:07,280
they're talking to us and i cannot tell

2796
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:09,679
you how many times have i seen this

2797
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:10,719
and it's just

2798
01:51:13,590 --> 01:51:12,080
complete

2799
01:51:16,629 --> 01:51:13,600
yeah but that's

2800
01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:16,639
really really unintelligent to think

2801
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:19,040
that or they're just faking it out right

2802
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:20,560
hold on

2803
01:51:24,390 --> 01:51:22,719
yeah you're right no that that's not

2804
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:24,400
what i'm referring to

2805
01:51:28,629 --> 01:51:26,880
this is what i am saying that over the

2806
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:28,639
period of three hours when i say

2807
01:51:34,149 --> 01:51:31,840
zigzagging i'm not talking about a ship

2808
01:51:36,550 --> 01:51:34,159
singularly

2809
01:51:39,589 --> 01:51:36,560
zigzag no i'm not talking about a craft

2810
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:39,599
zigzagging i'm talking about these

2811
01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:41,760
sightings are coming from different

2812
01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:44,400
directions and crossing over you know

2813
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:45,679
they're they're not

2814
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:48,080
like all east to west and they're all

2815
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:50,000
not north to south they're they're

2816
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:53,440
they're all over it's like interesting

2817
01:51:56,709 --> 01:51:55,199
they're not individually zigzagging no

2818
01:51:58,550 --> 01:51:56,719
no no no no

2819
01:52:00,310 --> 01:51:58,560
directions across the sky no no that's

2820
01:52:02,870 --> 01:52:00,320
and so now

2821
01:52:05,189 --> 01:52:02,880
and this is back to my point when i see

2822
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:05,199
something like that and then i picture

2823
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:06,639
google earth

2824
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:08,080
and these

2825
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:10,400
different flight patterns right that

2826
01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:12,639
these things are cr it's not

2827
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:14,800
i can take satellite off the list is

2828
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:18,480
what i'm saying i i it to to have that

2829
01:52:24,550 --> 01:52:21,679
over one why why washington is it going

2830
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:24,560
on all over the planet no i think it is

2831
01:52:28,709 --> 01:52:26,639
i think i think it's interesting i've

2832
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,719
often wondered why washington why mount

2833
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:30,719
adams in that area are such heavy

2834
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:32,960
sighting maybe maybe it's just very good

2835
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:34,800
visibility i don't know

2836
01:52:41,669 --> 01:52:38,960
um i did a night watch years ago in um

2837
01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:41,679
let's see the south western part of

2838
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:43,360
illinois so

2839
01:52:47,030 --> 01:52:44,639
kind of rural

2840
01:52:49,189 --> 01:52:47,040
uh town of galena i believe and it's

2841
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:49,199
really cool areas many years ago and we

2842
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:51,199
just were lucky uh someone had some a

2843
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:52,960
couple of pairs of really excellent

2844
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:55,599
night vision binoculars so maybe like a

2845
01:53:00,870 --> 01:52:59,360
dozen of us spent a number of hours out

2846
01:53:03,109 --> 01:53:00,880
sharing them you know we had good

2847
01:53:05,589 --> 01:53:03,119
visibility with the night vision

2848
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:05,599
binoculars it was my first time really

2849
01:53:09,510 --> 01:53:08,000
having extended um

2850
01:53:12,950 --> 01:53:09,520
viewing with them

2851
01:53:13,990 --> 01:53:12,960
i was astonished at how much we could

2852
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:14,000
see

2853
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:15,599
in the night sky i was actually i was

2854
01:53:20,709 --> 01:53:18,000
blown away it was a it was a shocking

2855
01:53:22,229 --> 01:53:20,719
experience for me to be able to see

2856
01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:22,239
i felt like i was

2857
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:23,920
standing underneath grand central

2858
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:25,040
station

2859
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:27,599
except we were in southwestern illinois

2860
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:30,239
and uh you know and i just saw to myself

2861
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:33,280
in we're in one little part of the earth

2862
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:35,599
one little part of the sky right

2863
01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:37,760
and we're seeing all of this activity it

2864
01:53:41,589 --> 01:53:39,280
was unbelievable

2865
01:53:43,350 --> 01:53:41,599
um and i saw a number of things that i

2866
01:53:44,149 --> 01:53:43,360
thought could well have

2867
01:53:47,990 --> 01:53:44,159
like

2868
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:48,000
ultra high ultra fast

2869
01:53:51,750 --> 01:53:50,000
uh objects like we've all seen

2870
01:53:54,070 --> 01:53:51,760
satellites move across the sky and you

2871
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:54,080
can you know what kind of speed they go

2872
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:56,560
this was something that was vastly

2873
01:53:59,109 --> 01:53:57,840
pulsating

2874
01:54:02,870 --> 01:53:59,119
fast

2875
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:02,880
like what was that i don't understand so

2876
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:06,000
i think that what you saw

2877
01:54:09,910 --> 01:54:07,520
i think actually there's a very

2878
01:54:12,149 --> 01:54:09,920
significant infrastructure

2879
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:12,159
going on around us

2880
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:14,639
and we're just we're not seeing it most

2881
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:17,760
of the time but it's there and i believe

2882
01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:18,880
i mean

2883
01:54:24,229 --> 01:54:21,520
i firmly believe that there's a human

2884
01:54:25,669 --> 01:54:24,239
infrastructure classified world that is

2885
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:25,679
well aware of this

2886
01:54:29,030 --> 01:54:28,000
that's probably causing a good portion

2887
01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:29,040
of it

2888
01:54:33,270 --> 01:54:30,639
and that's probably tracking the other

2889
01:54:35,589 --> 01:54:33,280
portion of it you know and you know when

2890
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:35,599
when i when i enter into that frame of

2891
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:38,320
mind which i'm very comfortable with by

2892
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:39,760
the way

2893
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:43,280
then i almost get a little bit angry

2894
01:54:49,030 --> 01:54:45,920
right it it i just get a little bit

2895
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:49,040
angry that if that technology is there

2896
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:52,239
and and it's not being shared with us

2897
01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:55,360
and we are not aware of it i'm not cool

2898
01:54:58,390 --> 01:54:56,400
with that

2899
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:58,400
you know and i think that's a big that's

2900
01:55:01,750 --> 01:55:00,719
as big of a story

2901
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:01,760
right

2902
01:55:08,790 --> 01:55:05,040
than the ufo side of things or

2903
01:55:10,390 --> 01:55:08,800
even more dangerous of a story

2904
01:55:12,790 --> 01:55:10,400
yes absolutely it could be dangerous

2905
01:55:14,950 --> 01:55:12,800
because uh

2906
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:14,960
you know we want we want the end of

2907
01:55:20,390 --> 01:55:17,280
secrecy i think instinctively all of us

2908
01:55:23,589 --> 01:55:20,400
feel that uh an opaque and a

2909
01:55:26,709 --> 01:55:23,599
non-responsive lying government is worse

2910
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:26,719
than a a transparent honest and

2911
01:55:32,070 --> 01:55:29,040
you know good government so we want we

2912
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:32,080
want to have this discrepancy resolved

2913
01:55:37,510 --> 01:55:35,119
but i've occasionally wondered you know

2914
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:37,520
let's say

2915
01:55:41,510 --> 01:55:39,840
you and me and those of us listening

2916
01:55:42,470 --> 01:55:41,520
were part of a small little group of

2917
01:55:45,189 --> 01:55:42,480
people

2918
01:55:46,950 --> 01:55:45,199
and that these were we understood the

2919
01:55:48,790 --> 01:55:46,960
true implications of the ufo phenomenon

2920
01:55:50,950 --> 01:55:48,800
and we understood the true implications

2921
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:50,960
of the technologies

2922
01:55:55,350 --> 01:55:52,560
that

2923
01:55:57,510 --> 01:55:55,360
we've come to acquire as a result of

2924
01:55:59,910 --> 01:55:57,520
this and we realized

2925
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:59,920
you could create some really amazing

2926
01:56:02,470 --> 01:56:00,960
weapons

2927
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:02,480
out of this new technology you can

2928
01:56:06,390 --> 01:56:04,560
create some very dangerous

2929
01:56:08,950 --> 01:56:06,400
things out of it and then we might ask

2930
01:56:10,870 --> 01:56:08,960
each other how do we control this to

2931
01:56:13,030 --> 01:56:10,880
make sure that this doesn't get out of

2932
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:13,040
control like you might trust yourself

2933
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:15,679
with that type of energy that could blow

2934
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:17,599
up the pacific ocean but could you trust

2935
01:56:21,910 --> 01:56:19,840
your next-door neighbor or all of your

2936
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:21,920
neighbors or everyone in your city or

2937
01:56:27,109 --> 01:56:24,000
everyone in your county or country

2938
01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:27,119
or world like clearly we all know like

2939
01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:29,280
we all know there's going to be people

2940
01:56:33,189 --> 01:56:31,760
out there who are going to mess it up

2941
01:56:34,229 --> 01:56:33,199
who'll do something really bad and

2942
01:56:36,550 --> 01:56:34,239
stupid

2943
01:56:38,950 --> 01:56:36,560
and dangerous with these technologies

2944
01:56:40,709 --> 01:56:38,960
like i could easily imagine

2945
01:56:42,629 --> 01:56:40,719
secret keepers

2946
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:42,639
asking this very question

2947
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:44,400
let's take a break right here richard

2948
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:47,360
fantastic conversation and when we come

2949
01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:51,040
back obviously it's the end of uh 2018

2950
01:56:56,310 --> 01:56:53,840
we're going to 2019. we've got to

2951
01:56:58,470 --> 01:56:56,320
discuss uh disclosure and where we are

2952
01:57:00,870 --> 01:56:58,480
headed with that but i i think the

2953
01:57:02,070 --> 01:57:00,880
direction i want to go in with this

2954
01:57:03,990 --> 01:57:02,080
is

2955
01:57:05,589 --> 01:57:04,000
one you're not going to expect and we'll

2956
01:57:07,589 --> 01:57:05,599
talk about all of that when we come back

2957
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is eliminated from the body the less

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time that waste sits in our intestines

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3052
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go backly tappy

3053
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you wanna know a secret

3054
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i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

3055
02:01:36,470 --> 02:01:34,239
serious

3056
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i couldn't stay sane without pulling mr

3057
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3058
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why fade to black

3059
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this is fade to black with jimmy church

3060
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on the game changer radio network and

3061
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kgra the global radio alliance

3062
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[Music]

3063
02:02:14,229 --> 02:02:11,199
welcome back fade to black fifth

3064
02:02:16,070 --> 02:02:14,239
anniversary richard dolan our last guest

3065
02:02:18,070 --> 02:02:16,080
of the year

3066
02:02:20,550 --> 02:02:18,080
couldn't get any better conversation is

3067
02:02:22,550 --> 02:02:20,560
exactly where it should be

3068
02:02:25,270 --> 02:02:22,560
and i want to get into disclosure now

3069
02:02:26,870 --> 02:02:25,280
richard and and it's this i'm gonna i'm

3070
02:02:28,629 --> 02:02:26,880
gonna throw this out there and i would

3071
02:02:30,709 --> 02:02:28,639
like your reaction

3072
02:02:32,790 --> 02:02:30,719
the reason why

3073
02:02:36,550 --> 02:02:32,800
or one of the reasons why

3074
02:02:38,950 --> 02:02:36,560
that potus or anybody else hasn't uh

3075
02:02:41,510 --> 02:02:38,960
admitted to any knowledge of this and

3076
02:02:43,030 --> 02:02:41,520
and come forward is because they are not

3077
02:02:46,709 --> 02:02:43,040
in control of it

3078
02:02:49,830 --> 02:02:46,719
they understand that it is indefensible

3079
02:02:50,870 --> 02:02:49,840
they can't protect us and it is way

3080
02:02:54,149 --> 02:02:50,880
above

3081
02:02:57,350 --> 02:02:54,159
any intelligence that they even possess

3082
02:03:01,430 --> 02:02:57,360
and they can't disclose that

3083
02:03:03,270 --> 02:03:01,440
that's why there is not disclosure

3084
02:03:06,709 --> 02:03:03,280
yeah um

3085
02:03:08,709 --> 02:03:06,719
i pretty much agree with that um i guess

3086
02:03:10,470 --> 02:03:08,719
one thing that i've i think i've come to

3087
02:03:12,629 --> 02:03:10,480
understand

3088
02:03:14,709 --> 02:03:12,639
is that

3089
02:03:15,990 --> 02:03:14,719
you know we're dealing with the secrecy

3090
02:03:18,550 --> 02:03:16,000
system

3091
02:03:21,750 --> 02:03:18,560
that's more complex than

3092
02:03:24,550 --> 02:03:21,760
you know things that are confidential or

3093
02:03:26,550 --> 02:03:24,560
secret or top secret or even special

3094
02:03:30,149 --> 02:03:26,560
access programs

3095
02:03:32,470 --> 02:03:30,159
like from what we're really have learned

3096
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:32,480
is that the secrecy program that each

3097
02:03:37,030 --> 02:03:35,440
one of these special access programs

3098
02:03:40,229 --> 02:03:37,040
has

3099
02:03:42,550 --> 02:03:40,239
its own classification system

3100
02:03:45,189 --> 02:03:42,560
and has classification systems often

3101
02:03:47,030 --> 02:03:45,199
within classification systems

3102
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:47,040
you have programs that are nested within

3103
02:03:51,030 --> 02:03:49,440
programs nested within programs

3104
02:03:52,870 --> 02:03:51,040
in other words

3105
02:03:55,589 --> 02:03:52,880
uh when

3106
02:03:57,030 --> 02:03:55,599
when uh we go through declassification

3107
02:03:59,510 --> 02:03:57,040
review

3108
02:04:02,390 --> 02:03:59,520
it's it's actually can potentially very

3109
02:04:04,709 --> 02:04:02,400
very difficult and very highly complex

3110
02:04:05,910 --> 02:04:04,719
because all of these special access

3111
02:04:09,030 --> 02:04:05,920
programs

3112
02:04:10,229 --> 02:04:09,040
are unique and they require

3113
02:04:12,870 --> 02:04:10,239
like you in other words you can't just

3114
02:04:14,390 --> 02:04:12,880
declassify all everything dealing with

3115
02:04:16,229 --> 02:04:14,400
ufos

3116
02:04:18,390 --> 02:04:16,239
and expect to get all the information

3117
02:04:20,229 --> 02:04:18,400
available like it actually

3118
02:04:22,229 --> 02:04:20,239
it's been made i've been made to

3119
02:04:24,470 --> 02:04:22,239
understand that that's not how it works

3120
02:04:26,709 --> 02:04:24,480
so even a president

3121
02:04:28,070 --> 02:04:26,719
if the president were to say damn it i'm

3122
02:04:29,430 --> 02:04:28,080
going to do this we're going to get this

3123
02:04:31,350 --> 02:04:29,440
out there

3124
02:04:33,030 --> 02:04:31,360
it's they can't just make wave a magic

3125
02:04:34,709 --> 02:04:33,040
wand and make it happen i don't think

3126
02:04:35,910 --> 02:04:34,719
that's how it works

3127
02:04:38,790 --> 02:04:35,920
uh there's

3128
02:04:41,910 --> 02:04:38,800
there's an immense bureaucracy that has

3129
02:04:44,709 --> 02:04:41,920
grown around this secret

3130
02:04:46,229 --> 02:04:44,719
and it has its own power its own

3131
02:04:48,470 --> 02:04:46,239
and then the other part of it of course

3132
02:04:50,830 --> 02:04:48,480
is i think there's pretty good reason

3133
02:04:53,990 --> 02:04:50,840
to believe that even as early as the

3134
02:04:55,669 --> 02:04:54,000
1960s uh president richard nixon very

3135
02:04:58,390 --> 02:04:55,679
well may have

3136
02:05:01,430 --> 02:04:58,400
moved ultimate control of the ufo secret

3137
02:05:03,750 --> 02:05:01,440
the let's call it the mj 12 group to

3138
02:05:07,350 --> 02:05:03,760
um an international setting that is to

3139
02:05:09,109 --> 02:05:07,360
corporate uh international uh finance

3140
02:05:11,109 --> 02:05:09,119
and corporations

3141
02:05:12,229 --> 02:05:11,119
where they

3142
02:05:13,830 --> 02:05:12,239
would have

3143
02:05:16,390 --> 02:05:13,840
fundamental access to the secret even

3144
02:05:19,669 --> 02:05:16,400
beyond the president and and in a way

3145
02:05:21,589 --> 02:05:19,679
that's not classified but proprietary

3146
02:05:22,950 --> 02:05:21,599
and keeps it off the books too as well

3147
02:05:25,750 --> 02:05:22,960
that would keep it off the board exactly

3148
02:05:27,510 --> 02:05:25,760
it keeps it impervious to public inquiry

3149
02:05:29,189 --> 02:05:27,520
freedom of information actually i think

3150
02:05:30,550 --> 02:05:29,199
this is what happened right you know

3151
02:05:32,550 --> 02:05:30,560
there's a couple of reasons why you

3152
02:05:34,310 --> 02:05:32,560
might think that there's just basically

3153
02:05:36,070 --> 02:05:34,320
all been a couple of leaks one is the

3154
02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:36,080
the controversial but i think still

3155
02:05:40,149 --> 02:05:38,400
interesting majestic documents frankly

3156
02:05:43,109 --> 02:05:40,159
that ryan wood and his father bob would

3157
02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:43,119
have have talked about for many years

3158
02:05:46,149 --> 02:05:44,480
and i'm

3159
02:05:48,629 --> 02:05:46,159
i don't dismiss those documents i know

3160
02:05:51,030 --> 02:05:48,639
some people do but i i don't uh and then

3161
02:05:52,950 --> 02:05:51,040
in others has just been the the uh claim

3162
02:05:53,910 --> 02:05:52,960
that came from kelly johnson to ben

3163
02:05:55,910 --> 02:05:53,920
ridge

3164
02:05:57,990 --> 02:05:55,920
uh which was discussed

3165
02:06:00,149 --> 02:05:58,000
um many many years ago that kelly

3166
02:06:02,070 --> 02:06:00,159
johnson said this to ben rich these are

3167
02:06:04,229 --> 02:06:02,080
you know the two people who led uh

3168
02:06:05,510 --> 02:06:04,239
lockheed's skunk works that in other

3169
02:06:07,030 --> 02:06:05,520
words nixon

3170
02:06:09,669 --> 02:06:07,040
passed off

3171
02:06:11,189 --> 02:06:09,679
control of the ufo secret to an

3172
02:06:16,229 --> 02:06:11,199
international

3173
02:06:18,870 --> 02:06:16,239
suppose but anyway for these reasons and

3174
02:06:21,669 --> 02:06:18,880
then there's a certain logic as well

3175
02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:21,679
independent of any of these speculations

3176
02:06:26,310 --> 02:06:23,840
that would support what you're saying

3177
02:06:28,390 --> 02:06:26,320
that in other words

3178
02:06:30,870 --> 02:06:28,400
we know for example

3179
02:06:33,350 --> 02:06:30,880
when we look at the office of the us

3180
02:06:34,790 --> 02:06:33,360
presidency i mean i've been saying this

3181
02:06:36,629 --> 02:06:34,800
for years and years i've been saying

3182
02:06:38,390 --> 02:06:36,639
this at least since the clintons and

3183
02:06:40,390 --> 02:06:38,400
probably even before then

3184
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:40,400
that presidents aren't elected they're

3185
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:41,920
selected

3186
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:44,960
and there there is a huge process

3187
02:06:48,310 --> 02:06:47,119
behind the scenes

3188
02:06:50,390 --> 02:06:48,320
in which

3189
02:06:52,069 --> 02:06:50,400
there is absolutely a this thing called

3190
02:06:53,750 --> 02:06:52,079
a deep state or i've often called a

3191
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:53,760
national security state

3192
02:06:58,310 --> 02:06:54,800
that is

3193
02:07:00,149 --> 02:06:58,320
behind the power and

3194
02:07:01,109 --> 02:07:00,159
and so

3195
02:07:03,430 --> 02:07:01,119
you know

3196
02:07:04,550 --> 02:07:03,440
i don't agree with some researchers who

3197
02:07:06,550 --> 02:07:04,560
say yeah the president can just do

3198
02:07:07,830 --> 02:07:06,560
anything he wants the president issues

3199
02:07:08,950 --> 02:07:07,840
an executive order i don't think it

3200
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:08,960
works

3201
02:07:14,550 --> 02:07:11,280
quite that well and and we can see

3202
02:07:15,750 --> 02:07:14,560
that in terms of ordinary geopolitics

3203
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:15,760
ordinary

3204
02:07:20,069 --> 02:07:17,920
uh international economic policy and

3205
02:07:23,510 --> 02:07:20,079
strategy that presidents

3206
02:07:26,550 --> 02:07:23,520
generally speaking with a few exceptions

3207
02:07:29,510 --> 02:07:26,560
are working explicitly for international

3208
02:07:30,550 --> 02:07:29,520
banking and finance

3209
02:07:32,229 --> 02:07:30,560
and

3210
02:07:34,470 --> 02:07:32,239
with that that said then they're they're

3211
02:07:36,790 --> 02:07:34,480
clearly they're not in control no they

3212
02:07:39,669 --> 02:07:36,800
they come and go they they come and go

3213
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:39,679
the agenda when you think about

3214
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:40,800
the

3215
02:07:47,030 --> 02:07:44,560
career military and intelligence and uh

3216
02:07:50,229 --> 02:07:47,040
banking systems and and corporations

3217
02:07:53,750 --> 02:07:50,239
those are careers they last right that

3218
02:07:56,229 --> 02:07:53,760
their their agenda what they want to do

3219
02:07:58,229 --> 02:07:56,239
continues after uh president leaves

3220
02:08:00,069 --> 02:07:58,239
office and it's it's there when they go

3221
02:08:01,189 --> 02:08:00,079
in it's going to be there when they go

3222
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:01,199
out and that

3223
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:03,440
this was said to me by a very very

3224
02:08:09,589 --> 02:08:07,440
astute retired analyst of the cia

3225
02:08:12,069 --> 02:08:09,599
and he said to me i i asked him many

3226
02:08:13,669 --> 02:08:12,079
years ago how much do presidents know

3227
02:08:15,430 --> 02:08:13,679
the classic question like we all want to

3228
02:08:16,790 --> 02:08:15,440
know this right and he and he said some

3229
02:08:19,589 --> 02:08:16,800
have known more than others he said

3230
02:08:22,550 --> 02:08:19,599
presidents come and go the careerists

3231
02:08:25,350 --> 02:08:22,560
they're there forever that's it it's a

3232
02:08:27,990 --> 02:08:25,360
harsh reality you know when you absorb

3233
02:08:30,790 --> 02:08:28,000
that and you understand that then things

3234
02:08:33,510 --> 02:08:30,800
become a lot more clear i want to get to

3235
02:08:35,510 --> 02:08:33,520
this question eric uh it's a question of

3236
02:08:37,350 --> 02:08:35,520
a question eric posted this up on

3237
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:37,360
twitter he says this is a question for

3238
02:08:42,390 --> 02:08:39,280
both you and i richard

3239
02:08:45,990 --> 02:08:42,400
if uh the two of us had the opportunity

3240
02:08:48,790 --> 02:08:46,000
to ask someone who you were convinced

3241
02:08:52,069 --> 02:08:48,800
had the answers in regard to the aliens

3242
02:08:53,910 --> 02:08:52,079
and ufos what question or questions

3243
02:08:55,750 --> 02:08:53,920
would you ask them i'm going to throw

3244
02:08:57,270 --> 02:08:55,760
that out to you first you have the

3245
02:08:59,589 --> 02:08:57,280
opportunity right

3246
02:09:03,189 --> 02:08:59,599
to get something answered what do you

3247
02:09:08,310 --> 02:09:06,069
are they infiltrating our society and if

3248
02:09:09,910 --> 02:09:08,320
so how can we identify them

3249
02:09:11,510 --> 02:09:09,920
that's where you would go

3250
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:11,520
well i think i think that's one thing

3251
02:09:14,790 --> 02:09:13,280
i'd want to know i think there's reason

3252
02:09:17,030 --> 02:09:14,800
to think that that's the case right

3253
02:09:18,870 --> 02:09:17,040
right that's good that's good

3254
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:18,880
yeah i'd want to know like i'd want to

3255
02:09:23,270 --> 02:09:21,040
know from a counterintelligence point of

3256
02:09:24,950 --> 02:09:23,280
view basically like are they here or do

3257
02:09:27,669 --> 02:09:24,960
they look like us at least do some of

3258
02:09:30,390 --> 02:09:27,679
them look like us are they infiltrating

3259
02:09:32,950 --> 02:09:30,400
and um i don't know do you do you want

3260
02:09:34,069 --> 02:09:32,960
to know the answer to that i do i do

3261
02:09:35,350 --> 02:09:34,079
want to ah

3262
02:09:39,270 --> 02:09:35,360
wow

3263
02:09:41,430 --> 02:09:39,280
screwing with us jimmy you want to know

3264
02:09:43,109 --> 02:09:41,440
right right right because if it's like

3265
02:09:45,189 --> 02:09:43,119
it's i've often liken it to having a

3266
02:09:47,350 --> 02:09:45,199
really awesome dream you're on the beach

3267
02:09:49,189 --> 02:09:47,360
you're sipping margaritas it's the sun's

3268
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:49,199
shining and feels great but in reality

3269
02:09:52,870 --> 02:09:51,440
your house is on fire

3270
02:09:54,310 --> 02:09:52,880
and so do you want to just keep having a

3271
02:09:55,750 --> 02:09:54,320
nice little dream or do you want to wake

3272
02:09:58,310 --> 02:09:55,760
up and deal with the fire i'd rather

3273
02:09:59,589 --> 02:09:58,320
wake up and deal with the fire i i i

3274
02:10:01,990 --> 02:09:59,599
want

3275
02:10:03,030 --> 02:10:02,000
how extensive how bad

3276
02:10:04,550 --> 02:10:03,040
is it

3277
02:10:06,390 --> 02:10:04,560
and i'd have a million questions to

3278
02:10:09,030 --> 02:10:06,400
follow up it would all be

3279
02:10:11,109 --> 02:10:09,040
uh pragmatic practical questions about

3280
02:10:13,430 --> 02:10:11,119
uh our infrastructure and

3281
02:10:15,189 --> 02:10:13,440
and um and their infrastructure i'd want

3282
02:10:17,030 --> 02:10:15,199
to know every single thing about their

3283
02:10:19,750 --> 02:10:17,040
infrastructure their society their

3284
02:10:21,990 --> 02:10:19,760
psychology what they're about

3285
02:10:24,709 --> 02:10:22,000
yeah i think i'd want to stay neo in the

3286
02:10:26,950 --> 02:10:24,719
matrix man i think i'd want to stay

3287
02:10:28,950 --> 02:10:26,960
in the dream that night yeah stay in the

3288
02:10:32,709 --> 02:10:28,960
dream yeah the the red meat

3289
02:10:35,350 --> 02:10:32,719
but you know my question would be a

3290
02:10:37,589 --> 02:10:35,360
little more fundamental and basic but it

3291
02:10:40,310 --> 02:10:37,599
it it would be this

3292
02:10:42,550 --> 02:10:40,320
do you are you in the possession of

3293
02:10:44,950 --> 02:10:42,560
alien technology do you have a crash

3294
02:10:46,550 --> 02:10:44,960
craft uh have you been given a craft are

3295
02:10:49,669 --> 02:10:46,560
you in possession

3296
02:10:53,430 --> 02:10:49,679
of off world technology i already got

3297
02:10:57,510 --> 02:10:55,430
do you ask that question of someone uh

3298
02:10:59,910 --> 02:10:57,520
almost 15 years ago and i was quite

3299
02:11:03,270 --> 02:10:59,920
satisfied that he was a in a position to

3300
02:11:05,830 --> 02:11:03,280
know and b he was not uh not bsing me

3301
02:11:07,830 --> 02:11:05,840
and he said yes

3302
02:11:09,030 --> 02:11:07,840
okay who what who was it is he still

3303
02:11:11,990 --> 02:11:09,040
alive

3304
02:11:13,589 --> 02:11:12,000
very well known

3305
02:11:16,069 --> 02:11:13,599
fame well i don't know i'm very well

3306
02:11:17,910 --> 02:11:16,079
known but well in enough brilliant well

3307
02:11:19,030 --> 02:11:17,920
connected

3308
02:11:24,390 --> 02:11:19,040
one day

3309
02:11:27,589 --> 02:11:24,400
but i will just say this is someone who

3310
02:11:30,709 --> 02:11:27,599
had a very very good position

3311
02:11:33,270 --> 02:11:30,719
and i was able to get an audience

3312
02:11:36,310 --> 02:11:33,280
i had uh enough time alone we actually

3313
02:11:38,790 --> 02:11:36,320
bonded we had a lot uh that we connected

3314
02:11:41,830 --> 02:11:38,800
on and i'm choosing to believe them and

3315
02:11:43,669 --> 02:11:41,840
he he said to me this is years ago

3316
02:11:44,950 --> 02:11:43,679
uh well like i'll tell you what i asked

3317
02:11:45,750 --> 02:11:44,960
first

3318
02:12:40,790 --> 02:11:45,760
i

3319
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:40,800
that that's true but when you hear

3320
02:12:45,589 --> 02:12:43,840
someone tell you who has got something

3321
02:12:47,270 --> 02:12:45,599
to lose

3322
02:12:50,229 --> 02:12:47,280
in telling you

3323
02:12:52,629 --> 02:12:50,239
and who really does have a genuine bona

3324
02:12:55,030 --> 02:12:52,639
fide history in the scientific and

3325
02:12:57,189 --> 02:12:55,040
classified world then

3326
02:12:59,030 --> 02:12:57,199
then that means something and i remember

3327
02:13:02,390 --> 02:12:59,040
taking a breath

3328
02:13:04,790 --> 02:13:02,400
at that time and my next question was

3329
02:13:06,149 --> 02:13:04,800
what did the bodies look like

3330
02:13:08,229 --> 02:13:06,159
what did the body look like because he

3331
02:13:09,830 --> 02:13:08,239
said it was one and his answer was

3332
02:13:10,870 --> 02:13:09,840
really instructive it was interesting he

3333
02:13:12,950 --> 02:13:10,880
said ah

3334
02:13:17,189 --> 02:13:12,960
i didn't tell you i personally saw the

3335
02:13:19,669 --> 02:13:17,199
body and his exact exact words were the

3336
02:13:21,750 --> 02:13:19,679
data became known to me in such a manner

3337
02:13:23,750 --> 02:13:21,760
and with such individuals present that

3338
02:13:25,109 --> 02:13:23,760
it was incontrovertible

3339
02:13:27,030 --> 02:13:25,119
so you've never

3340
02:13:28,390 --> 02:13:27,040
said you've never

3341
02:13:31,990 --> 02:13:28,400
revealed

3342
02:13:34,229 --> 02:13:32,000
his name or identity before

3343
02:13:35,990 --> 02:13:34,239
right i've told this story before and i

3344
02:13:37,350 --> 02:13:36,000
i will not

3345
02:13:39,109 --> 02:13:37,360
give up his identity without his

3346
02:13:45,510 --> 02:13:39,119
permission okay

3347
02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:50,149
uh professional educator

3348
02:13:53,510 --> 02:13:52,069
well i don't i don't want to answer any

3349
02:13:56,229 --> 02:13:53,520
of those because i don't want to i don't

3350
02:13:58,310 --> 02:13:56,239
give this this person up as a man okay

3351
02:13:59,109 --> 02:13:58,320
well no what i'm trying to zone into

3352
02:14:03,109 --> 02:13:59,119
here

3353
02:14:05,910 --> 02:14:03,119
was he um you know from uh

3354
02:14:08,069 --> 02:14:05,920
you know the education side or was he a

3355
02:14:10,950 --> 02:14:08,079
professional scientist or

3356
02:14:14,149 --> 02:14:10,960
was he uh you know with uh

3357
02:14:15,669 --> 02:14:14,159
the pentagon or defense

3358
02:14:17,430 --> 02:14:15,679
um

3359
02:14:19,189 --> 02:14:17,440
i don't know maybe a little bit of all

3360
02:14:20,310 --> 02:14:19,199
right i knew that see i knew that's

3361
02:14:22,629 --> 02:14:20,320
where you were going a little bit of

3362
02:14:27,109 --> 02:14:22,639
everything right okay

3363
02:14:29,510 --> 02:14:27,119
someone who who's uh very well connected

3364
02:14:31,589 --> 02:14:29,520
and um but but like maybe not perfectly

3365
02:14:33,750 --> 02:14:31,599
connected maybe like just pretty well

3366
02:14:36,390 --> 02:14:33,760
connected

3367
02:14:38,550 --> 02:14:36,400
with um and when it comes to this well

3368
02:14:41,189 --> 02:14:38,560
enough connected

3369
02:14:42,390 --> 02:14:41,199
when when i hear uh stuff like that

3370
02:14:46,069 --> 02:14:42,400
richard

3371
02:14:48,390 --> 02:14:46,079
this is this is my reaction

3372
02:14:50,629 --> 02:14:48,400
why wouldn't

3373
02:14:53,589 --> 02:14:50,639
anybody out there

3374
02:14:57,589 --> 02:14:53,599
that says these kinds of things why

3375
02:15:01,270 --> 02:14:59,990
i i can kind of give a an insight into

3376
02:15:03,030 --> 02:15:01,280
that for at least from this person's

3377
02:15:05,510 --> 02:15:03,040
perspective

3378
02:15:07,430 --> 02:15:05,520
um one one other thing he said to me was

3379
02:15:09,030 --> 02:15:07,440
um

3380
02:15:10,229 --> 02:15:09,040
well one thing that became clear to me

3381
02:15:11,430 --> 02:15:10,239
is like

3382
02:15:14,950 --> 02:15:11,440
uh

3383
02:15:17,830 --> 02:15:14,960
by giving by going public

3384
02:15:19,830 --> 02:15:17,840
all right they that he would lose access

3385
02:15:21,830 --> 02:15:19,840
to what information he does have like in

3386
02:15:23,910 --> 02:15:21,840
other words a lot of these people know

3387
02:15:25,270 --> 02:15:23,920
enough to know that it's real and to

3388
02:15:26,950 --> 02:15:25,280
know a few things but they don't have

3389
02:15:28,870 --> 02:15:26,960
all the data they want they don't have

3390
02:15:31,189 --> 02:15:28,880
all the access they want like everyone

3391
02:15:33,430 --> 02:15:31,199
wants more access everyone's trying to

3392
02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:33,440
get another door open for themselves

3393
02:15:35,669 --> 02:15:34,239
and

3394
02:15:36,870 --> 02:15:35,679
the thing is if you give up the

3395
02:15:38,790 --> 02:15:36,880
information

3396
02:15:39,669 --> 02:15:38,800
it gets traced back to you then you're

3397
02:15:43,189 --> 02:15:39,679
out

3398
02:15:44,310 --> 02:15:43,199
right but you you're you're now at that

3399
02:15:45,750 --> 02:15:44,320
point

3400
02:15:48,069 --> 02:15:45,760
you are

3401
02:15:50,629 --> 02:15:48,079
the most important

3402
02:15:52,870 --> 02:15:50,639
person in the history of mankind in that

3403
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:52,880
you are now immortalized you will be

3404
02:15:56,629 --> 02:15:55,119
you're able if you're able to prove it

3405
02:15:58,870 --> 02:15:56,639
yeah yeah i mean the thing is there have

3406
02:16:00,870 --> 02:15:58,880
been a number of you know people over

3407
02:16:02,950 --> 02:16:00,880
the years who've made various claims i

3408
02:16:04,470 --> 02:16:02,960
agree with you i think that it would be

3409
02:16:06,310 --> 02:16:04,480
the right thing to do

3410
02:16:09,189 --> 02:16:06,320
if you were in possession of these

3411
02:16:12,229 --> 02:16:09,199
people richard richard if you were in

3412
02:16:14,870 --> 02:16:12,239
possession you had the video right you

3413
02:16:18,149 --> 02:16:14,880
had the document you had uh

3414
02:16:20,550 --> 02:16:18,159
you had a uniform right from et whatever

3415
02:16:22,470 --> 02:16:20,560
it you know whatever it is

3416
02:16:24,550 --> 02:16:22,480
do you go public with it

3417
02:16:25,910 --> 02:16:24,560
yeah i would you'd have to be really

3418
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:25,920
careful about how you do it that's the

3419
02:16:29,510 --> 02:16:28,079
thing why but we're in because we're in

3420
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:29,520
an era where

3421
02:16:34,469 --> 02:16:31,679
everything is debunked

3422
02:16:36,629 --> 02:16:34,479
so it's all about protocol it's all

3423
02:16:39,429 --> 02:16:36,639
about like provenance

3424
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:39,439
and protocol but you have to approve it

3425
02:16:43,509 --> 02:16:41,519
but you have all of that in place it's

3426
02:16:45,349 --> 02:16:43,519
all in place if i had it all in place i

3427
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:45,359
would i would not hesitate you know you

3428
02:16:51,669 --> 02:16:48,719
got a video you got a video of obama

3429
02:16:54,389 --> 02:16:51,679
taking uh a walk-through of a flying

3430
02:16:56,709 --> 02:16:54,399
saucer at area 51 right

3431
02:16:59,270 --> 02:16:56,719
you've got it you've got you've got the

3432
02:17:01,509 --> 02:16:59,280
real deal stuff you've got it do you go

3433
02:17:03,030 --> 02:17:01,519
public with it

3434
02:17:05,750 --> 02:17:03,040
yes of course you do you have to go

3435
02:17:08,389 --> 02:17:05,760
public but you before you go public

3436
02:17:11,750 --> 02:17:08,399
you've got to take the right steps

3437
02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:11,760
to do everything possible to cya and to

3438
02:17:15,349 --> 02:17:12,880
make sure that you've got everything

3439
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:15,359
lined up and all of your information is

3440
02:17:20,790 --> 02:17:18,240
bulletproof you do your best

3441
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:20,800
have you seen have you seen

3442
02:17:25,750 --> 02:17:22,880
uh whether it's uh

3443
02:17:28,469 --> 02:17:25,760
a document or or anything else or a

3444
02:17:29,349 --> 02:17:28,479
video that uh

3445
02:17:30,790 --> 02:17:29,359
uh

3446
02:17:32,870 --> 02:17:30,800
isn't public

3447
02:17:37,830 --> 02:17:32,880
i mean this is has somebody showed you

3448
02:17:42,389 --> 02:17:39,830
one time a number of years ago i had one

3449
02:17:43,990 --> 02:17:42,399
of those classic look but don't touch uh

3450
02:17:45,509 --> 02:17:44,000
meetings where you know you get shown

3451
02:17:46,790 --> 02:17:45,519
something you're not allowed to

3452
02:17:48,230 --> 02:17:46,800
photograph it you're not allowed to

3453
02:17:51,270 --> 02:17:48,240
record it

3454
02:17:52,150 --> 02:17:51,280
um and so i was able to see

3455
02:18:11,990 --> 02:17:52,160
a

3456
02:18:14,870 --> 02:18:12,000
intelligence of the joint chiefs of

3457
02:18:18,070 --> 02:18:14,880
staff back in the late 1990s during the

3458
02:18:19,669 --> 02:18:18,080
clinton presidency his position within

3459
02:18:21,990 --> 02:18:19,679
the joint chiefs as head of intelligence

3460
02:18:24,070 --> 02:18:22,000
was known as j2

3461
02:18:25,910 --> 02:18:24,080
i learned this but um doesn't make me an

3462
02:18:27,030 --> 02:18:25,920
expert on the joint chiefs anyway wilson

3463
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:27,040
was there

3464
02:18:30,309 --> 02:18:28,399
and

3465
02:18:31,669 --> 02:18:30,319
this has to do with actually with uh

3466
02:18:33,509 --> 02:18:31,679
greer's

3467
02:18:35,349 --> 02:18:33,519
meeting greer for a little while was

3468
02:18:36,870 --> 02:18:35,359
connected with edgar mitchell uh

3469
02:18:39,750 --> 02:18:36,880
astronaut

3470
02:18:42,549 --> 02:18:39,760
in the late 90s wanting to uh get

3471
02:18:44,230 --> 02:18:42,559
congressional interest in

3472
02:18:45,830 --> 02:18:44,240
you know his project and looking into

3473
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:45,840
deep black programs connected with the

3474
02:18:50,389 --> 02:18:47,920
ufos they were able to get a meeting

3475
02:18:53,270 --> 02:18:50,399
with wilson this is an amazing thing

3476
02:18:54,790 --> 02:18:53,280
uh so grier and and edgar mitchell go in

3477
02:18:56,629 --> 02:18:54,800
and they meet with wilson

3478
02:18:58,469 --> 02:18:56,639
greer wrote about this later but this is

3479
02:19:00,870 --> 02:18:58,479
before gur's book came out

3480
02:19:02,790 --> 02:19:00,880
that i learned about the meeting

3481
02:19:05,270 --> 02:19:02,800
and what i learned

3482
02:19:07,030 --> 02:19:05,280
was that they said to wilson look there

3483
02:19:09,750 --> 02:19:07,040
are

3484
02:19:12,070 --> 02:19:09,760
deep black programs within nested within

3485
02:19:13,429 --> 02:19:12,080
the pentagon that appear to be rogue

3486
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:13,439
that are beyond the control of the

3487
02:19:16,549 --> 02:19:14,800
united states government and we're

3488
02:19:18,389 --> 02:19:16,559
telling you about it hoping that you can

3489
02:19:20,150 --> 02:19:18,399
learn about them and get some control

3490
02:19:21,509 --> 02:19:20,160
over them in the name of the the

3491
02:19:23,190 --> 02:19:21,519
government and the people of the united

3492
02:19:25,830 --> 02:19:23,200
states that type of thing

3493
02:19:28,709 --> 02:19:25,840
and what i was shown

3494
02:19:30,150 --> 02:19:28,719
was a transcript prepared by i don't

3495
02:19:33,990 --> 02:19:30,160
know who

3496
02:19:35,750 --> 02:19:34,000
that was an interview with wilson

3497
02:19:38,309 --> 02:19:35,760
after the fact

3498
02:19:41,030 --> 02:19:38,319
in which he was talking about

3499
02:19:43,270 --> 02:19:41,040
how he was upset

3500
02:19:44,790 --> 02:19:43,280
uh because after that meeting ended he

3501
02:19:47,270 --> 02:19:44,800
went knocking on some doors and

3502
02:19:49,190 --> 02:19:47,280
eventually found that there was a deep

3503
02:19:51,590 --> 02:19:49,200
black program

3504
02:19:53,670 --> 02:19:51,600
to uh to do this and that he was denied

3505
02:19:54,950 --> 02:19:53,680
access to it despite the fact that he

3506
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:54,960
was head of intelligence for the joint

3507
02:19:59,270 --> 02:19:57,359
chiefs of staff that's interesting

3508
02:20:00,550 --> 02:19:59,280
and the only reason he was able to get

3509
02:20:04,870 --> 02:20:00,560
an interview

3510
02:20:06,150 --> 02:20:04,880
at all was because the the lawyers

3511
02:20:07,349 --> 02:20:06,160
of the program they're the only ones who

3512
02:20:09,270 --> 02:20:07,359
met him they he didn't meet with any

3513
02:20:10,550 --> 02:20:09,280
military people they met with him they

3514
02:20:12,790 --> 02:20:10,560
said how did you learn about this

3515
02:20:14,230 --> 02:20:12,800
program that's the only reason he got an

3516
02:20:15,750 --> 02:20:14,240
audience with anyone

3517
02:20:17,830 --> 02:20:15,760
they wanted to know how the leak

3518
02:20:19,590 --> 02:20:17,840
occurred

3519
02:20:20,630 --> 02:20:19,600
and the quote that i remembered him

3520
02:20:23,349 --> 02:20:20,640
reading

3521
02:20:25,830 --> 02:20:23,359
by him

3522
02:20:27,990 --> 02:20:25,840
was his knowledge that the technology he

3523
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:28,000
learned about was quote not made by

3524
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:31,200
human hands so i read this i saw this

3525
02:20:35,429 --> 02:20:32,800
document right

3526
02:20:37,590 --> 02:20:35,439
i was shown this document i should say

3527
02:20:39,590 --> 02:20:37,600
not allowed to photograph it

3528
02:20:41,190 --> 02:20:39,600
not allowed to record it

3529
02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:41,200
now

3530
02:20:46,870 --> 02:20:45,120
i am well aware that this is a technique

3531
02:20:48,309 --> 02:20:46,880
it's been used in the past

3532
02:20:50,550 --> 02:20:48,319
it can be used

3533
02:20:53,349 --> 02:20:50,560
to provide genuine information that's

3534
02:20:55,830 --> 02:20:53,359
just because people want deniability or

3535
02:20:57,349 --> 02:20:55,840
it can also be used as as a form of

3536
02:20:59,429 --> 02:20:57,359
deception

3537
02:21:01,030 --> 02:20:59,439
you know it's it's not wouldn't be the

3538
02:21:03,590 --> 02:21:01,040
first time

3539
02:21:04,870 --> 02:21:03,600
so i i keep this in mind but i will say

3540
02:21:06,790 --> 02:21:04,880
this

3541
02:21:10,710 --> 02:21:06,800
not long after

3542
02:21:12,309 --> 02:21:10,720
i had that meeting and saw that document

3543
02:21:15,030 --> 02:21:12,319
within a few months anyway steven

3544
02:21:17,110 --> 02:21:15,040
greer's book came out and he wrote quite

3545
02:21:19,030 --> 02:21:17,120
a bit about this

3546
02:21:21,990 --> 02:21:19,040
now he didn't have all the information

3547
02:21:23,910 --> 02:21:22,000
that i was given but he had

3548
02:21:25,510 --> 02:21:23,920
um you know it seemed to me a fairly

3549
02:21:28,550 --> 02:21:25,520
accurate perspective of that meeting

3550
02:21:30,230 --> 02:21:28,560
from his his point of view

3551
02:21:31,830 --> 02:21:30,240
and um

3552
02:21:34,309 --> 02:21:31,840
oh yeah the other thing i should say is

3553
02:21:37,110 --> 02:21:34,319
that when i read that document i didn't

3554
02:21:39,190 --> 02:21:37,120
know that it was admiral thomas r wilson

3555
02:21:43,349 --> 02:21:39,200
i wasn't given the name

3556
02:21:46,070 --> 02:21:43,359
greer's book came out and i read that i

3557
02:21:48,150 --> 02:21:46,080
contacted my source on that and i said

3558
02:21:49,830 --> 02:21:48,160
so we talking wilson and the source said

3559
02:21:52,070 --> 02:21:49,840
yes that's who it is

3560
02:21:54,389 --> 02:21:52,080
and then i i actually went out of my way

3561
02:21:56,469 --> 02:21:54,399
and i found thomas wilson i

3562
02:21:58,630 --> 02:21:56,479
it's the only time in my life that i did

3563
02:22:00,790 --> 02:21:58,640
an ambush interview on anyone i

3564
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:00,800
felt kind of bad about it you know but

3565
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:03,359
not really that bad wilson was working

3566
02:22:07,750 --> 02:22:05,920
for an advanced uh aerospace company i

3567
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:07,760
cannot remember the name of it but you

3568
02:22:11,830 --> 02:22:09,359
know after you leave the military you

3569
02:22:13,429 --> 02:22:11,840
get you get roped you get brought in

3570
02:22:15,910 --> 02:22:13,439
senior vp

3571
02:22:17,349 --> 02:22:15,920
for all the weaponry and technology for

3572
02:22:20,150 --> 02:22:17,359
the breakaway civilization and that's

3573
02:22:21,990 --> 02:22:20,160
really what he was doing and i i

3574
02:22:24,070 --> 02:22:22,000
contacted him i was able to find him and

3575
02:22:25,750 --> 02:22:24,080
and i pretended that i was just a

3576
02:22:28,950 --> 02:22:25,760
regular uh

3577
02:22:31,030 --> 02:22:28,960
conventional historian of the us navy

3578
02:22:33,349 --> 02:22:31,040
um and that i'd learned about his career

3579
02:22:36,230 --> 02:22:33,359
and i wanted to talk to him and he was

3580
02:22:38,950 --> 02:22:36,240
he allowed me to call him

3581
02:22:41,030 --> 02:22:38,960
and shortly into the phone call

3582
02:22:42,309 --> 02:22:41,040
i um i had to say look this i'm really

3583
02:22:44,469 --> 02:22:42,319
calling because i'm a historian of the

3584
02:22:45,270 --> 02:22:44,479
ufo phenomenon and your name came up in

3585
02:23:19,429 --> 02:22:45,280
a

3586
02:23:21,510 --> 02:23:19,439
uh everything else is pocky poppycock

3587
02:23:23,510 --> 02:23:21,520
what's his word so i knew i got to him

3588
02:23:25,429 --> 02:23:23,520
and then he hung up he just ended

3589
02:23:28,469 --> 02:23:25,439
abruptly the conversation

3590
02:23:30,630 --> 02:23:28,479
so i feel like that document that i was

3591
02:23:32,070 --> 02:23:30,640
shown

3592
02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:32,080
i'm inclined to believe it i think it

3593
02:23:35,670 --> 02:23:34,319
was probably true i think i it got to

3594
02:23:40,230 --> 02:23:35,680
wilson

3595
02:23:43,349 --> 02:23:40,240
what i'm uh

3596
02:23:44,950 --> 02:23:43,359
uh most uh disappointed about well

3597
02:23:46,630 --> 02:23:44,960
there's a lot of things but one of the

3598
02:23:49,510 --> 02:23:46,640
things i'm most disappointed about is

3599
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:49,520
that there are uh many

3600
02:23:55,510 --> 02:23:52,960
uh individuals out there that claim to

3601
02:24:00,550 --> 02:23:55,520
be in a possession of

3602
02:24:03,910 --> 02:24:00,560
of videotape or images or or documents

3603
02:24:06,630 --> 02:24:03,920
but they they can't reveal them because

3604
02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:06,640
of the people that they are tied to

3605
02:24:10,870 --> 02:24:08,960
and you know this this material or

3606
02:24:13,349 --> 02:24:10,880
whatever it can't can't be brought out

3607
02:24:14,710 --> 02:24:13,359
right now i have to sit on and when i

3608
02:24:18,230 --> 02:24:14,720
hear that

3609
02:24:20,630 --> 02:24:18,240
i back up and and i don't

3610
02:24:22,870 --> 02:24:20,640
i don't uh any longer believe that they

3611
02:24:24,469 --> 02:24:22,880
are in possession of this stuff that's

3612
02:24:25,910 --> 02:24:24,479
what i believe a lot of times i would

3613
02:24:27,429 --> 02:24:25,920
agree with you i think that's often the

3614
02:24:28,950 --> 02:24:27,439
case i mean there's a lot of people just

3615
02:24:30,870 --> 02:24:28,960
blowing a lot of hot air right they've

3616
02:24:33,190 --> 02:24:30,880
been doing it for decades

3617
02:24:35,190 --> 02:24:33,200
inside sources tell me this and tell me

3618
02:24:37,270 --> 02:24:35,200
that and i'm like stop i know more with

3619
02:24:39,429 --> 02:24:37,280
your inside sources now i just told you

3620
02:24:41,510 --> 02:24:39,439
some one of my inside sources so who am

3621
02:24:43,670 --> 02:24:41,520
i to say anything but the thing is i try

3622
02:24:46,309 --> 02:24:43,680
not to go overboard with that like most

3623
02:24:47,910 --> 02:24:46,319
of what i do is is very much

3624
02:24:50,150 --> 02:24:47,920
above board but every now and then

3625
02:24:51,910 --> 02:24:50,160
something will come to me too and

3626
02:24:53,910 --> 02:24:51,920
and um you know i mentioned because you

3627
02:24:55,990 --> 02:24:53,920
asked but

3628
02:24:57,910 --> 02:24:56,000
uh but i also have a lot of sympathy for

3629
02:24:58,870 --> 02:24:57,920
people who are genuinely on the inside

3630
02:25:00,790 --> 02:24:58,880
and

3631
02:25:02,230 --> 02:25:00,800
uh it's not easy

3632
02:25:04,389 --> 02:25:02,240
you know they're

3633
02:25:06,550 --> 02:25:04,399
these people many of them do take oaths

3634
02:25:08,630 --> 02:25:06,560
and it's difficult for them to break it

3635
02:25:10,790 --> 02:25:08,640
and uh and not only that one of the

3636
02:25:13,030 --> 02:25:10,800
things this particular scientist that i

3637
02:25:14,870 --> 02:25:13,040
was mentioning said to me

3638
02:25:17,349 --> 02:25:14,880
it was very telling he said look let's

3639
02:25:18,550 --> 02:25:17,359
say i could tell you

3640
02:25:21,030 --> 02:25:18,560
uh

3641
02:25:22,469 --> 02:25:21,040
i could give you a list of the top 12

3642
02:25:24,870 --> 02:25:22,479
people who know everything about this

3643
02:25:26,550 --> 02:25:24,880
like a kind of an mj12 list all right

3644
02:25:28,309 --> 02:25:26,560
let's say i've got that list

3645
02:25:31,510 --> 02:25:28,319
i give this to you

3646
02:25:32,630 --> 02:25:31,520
or or i myself go to the new york times

3647
02:25:34,710 --> 02:25:32,640
and

3648
02:25:36,630 --> 02:25:34,720
let's say the new york times publish it

3649
02:25:37,990 --> 02:25:36,640
and i'm even back then i'm laughing

3650
02:25:39,750 --> 02:25:38,000
myself like yeah the new york times

3651
02:25:41,830 --> 02:25:39,760
would never do that they're totally in

3652
02:25:43,510 --> 02:25:41,840
the pocket of the cia in the national

3653
02:25:45,830 --> 02:25:43,520
security state but anyway go on so let's

3654
02:25:50,230 --> 02:25:45,840
say the new york times publishes it

3655
02:25:53,190 --> 02:25:50,240
he said hey it would be totally deniable

3656
02:25:54,950 --> 02:25:53,200
i couldn't prove it he said to me i

3657
02:25:57,110 --> 02:25:54,960
can't prove to you that they're on it i

3658
02:25:58,870 --> 02:25:57,120
just i know that they are

3659
02:26:00,790 --> 02:25:58,880
and it would be totally deniable and

3660
02:26:03,270 --> 02:26:00,800
then b it would be traced to me and i

3661
02:26:05,030 --> 02:26:03,280
would lose all access to the information

3662
02:26:06,790 --> 02:26:05,040
that i'm trying to get

3663
02:26:08,710 --> 02:26:06,800
and i think that that's

3664
02:26:10,309 --> 02:26:08,720
not an unusual situation for a lot of

3665
02:26:11,910 --> 02:26:10,319
these people

3666
02:26:13,670 --> 02:26:11,920
you know how do they have

3667
02:26:15,590 --> 02:26:13,680
they may have knowledge but do they have

3668
02:26:18,469 --> 02:26:15,600
proof can they really prove it to the

3669
02:26:20,230 --> 02:26:18,479
world and it may not be that easy

3670
02:26:22,870 --> 02:26:20,240
do you trust me

3671
02:26:24,550 --> 02:26:22,880
okay look richard i know it's uh early

3672
02:26:25,349 --> 02:26:24,560
in the morning out there

3673
02:26:27,190 --> 02:26:25,359
uh

3674
02:26:28,950 --> 02:26:27,200
we're heading towards a commercial you

3675
02:26:31,429 --> 02:26:28,960
know that i'm gonna ask you to hang on

3676
02:26:33,670 --> 02:26:31,439
for a few more minutes after this and uh

3677
02:26:35,510 --> 02:26:33,680
we we can't end the conversation here

3678
02:26:37,510 --> 02:26:35,520
it's that's impossible but that's what

3679
02:26:40,150 --> 02:26:37,520
we do every time you're on the show and

3680
02:26:42,309 --> 02:26:40,160
and that's what happens but uh

3681
02:26:43,990 --> 02:26:42,319
and before we get to the break

3682
02:26:46,230 --> 02:26:44,000
do you

3683
02:26:49,270 --> 02:26:46,240
so somebody comes to you he's got he's

3684
02:26:50,389 --> 02:26:49,280
got bars he's got stars somebody comes

3685
02:26:53,349 --> 02:26:50,399
to you

3686
02:26:55,670 --> 02:26:53,359
and says okay richard here you go we are

3687
02:26:56,630 --> 02:26:55,680
ready i'm i'm going to br

3688
02:26:58,550 --> 02:26:56,640
do you

3689
02:27:00,230 --> 02:26:58,560
at any point

3690
02:27:02,469 --> 02:27:00,240
trust

3691
02:27:05,030 --> 02:27:02,479
the defense intelligence establishment

3692
02:27:07,590 --> 02:27:05,040
in in any way

3693
02:27:10,070 --> 02:27:07,600
um i guess i would

3694
02:27:12,550 --> 02:27:10,080
i would trust some people

3695
02:27:14,790 --> 02:27:12,560
yes and uh but i've also been lied to so

3696
02:27:15,590 --> 02:27:14,800
i would know not to trust everyone

3697
02:27:17,990 --> 02:27:15,600
um

3698
02:27:19,910 --> 02:27:18,000
so it's a case by case i mean i i think

3699
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:19,920
it's naive honestly to think that

3700
02:27:23,990 --> 02:27:22,000
everyone in the military lies i think

3701
02:27:25,270 --> 02:27:24,000
it's naive to think everyone in the cia

3702
02:27:27,510 --> 02:27:25,280
lies that's just i don't think that's

3703
02:27:29,429 --> 02:27:27,520
not that's not how the world is

3704
02:27:32,870 --> 02:27:29,439
it's it's more accurate to say that

3705
02:27:35,510 --> 02:27:32,880
there is truth and there's also

3706
02:27:37,830 --> 02:27:35,520
uh deception in those worlds and

3707
02:27:39,429 --> 02:27:37,840
and not always in equal amounts

3708
02:27:41,349 --> 02:27:39,439
so you have to you know we have to keep

3709
02:27:43,270 --> 02:27:41,359
our thinking caps on but it's

3710
02:27:45,510 --> 02:27:43,280
i don't like these simple you know

3711
02:27:47,830 --> 02:27:45,520
knee-jerk responses like oh yeah like if

3712
02:27:49,590 --> 02:27:47,840
they're from the dia or the cia then

3713
02:27:51,429 --> 02:27:49,600
they must be lying

3714
02:27:53,510 --> 02:27:51,439
like no i mean that's not really that

3715
02:27:54,710 --> 02:27:53,520
doesn't follow to me but they could be

3716
02:27:56,550 --> 02:27:54,720
lying

3717
02:27:58,150 --> 02:27:56,560
so you have to just gauge the

3718
02:27:59,990 --> 02:27:58,160
information as it comes to you there's

3719
02:28:02,230 --> 02:28:00,000
no other way there's no easy way out

3720
02:28:03,510 --> 02:28:02,240
yeah it goes back to you know the the

3721
02:28:06,150 --> 02:28:03,520
gorbachev

3722
02:28:07,590 --> 02:28:06,160
reagan era you know the whole trust but

3723
02:28:10,309 --> 02:28:07,600
verify

3724
02:28:12,150 --> 02:28:10,319
there there there's a lot of validity to

3725
02:28:13,429 --> 02:28:12,160
that statement let's take a break right

3726
02:28:16,710 --> 02:28:13,439
here richard i'm going to keep you over

3727
02:28:18,790 --> 02:28:16,720
for a few minutes and uh tell uh tracy

3728
02:28:19,990 --> 02:28:18,800
uh i'm sorry and i beg her forgiveness

3729
02:28:21,990 --> 02:28:20,000
but you're going to stay with us for a

3730
02:28:23,750 --> 02:28:22,000
few more minutes

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02:28:25,910 --> 02:28:23,760
stay right there richard dolan's our

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richard's not going anywhere i'll be

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02:33:21,830 --> 02:33:19,910
[Applause]

3823
02:33:24,230 --> 02:33:21,840
welcome back fade to black fifth

3824
02:33:25,750 --> 02:33:24,240
anniversary special event richard bleep

3825
02:33:27,270 --> 02:33:25,760
and dolan is here we're gonna do some

3826
02:33:29,349 --> 02:33:27,280
overtime

3827
02:33:31,349 --> 02:33:29,359
you knew richard wasn't gonna go

3828
02:33:33,590 --> 02:33:31,359
anywhere

3829
02:33:34,790 --> 02:33:33,600
i kind of felt that too richard okay

3830
02:33:36,790 --> 02:33:34,800
here we are

3831
02:33:38,309 --> 02:33:36,800
or it's uh new year's is right around

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the corner man we're at the end of uh

3833
02:33:43,349 --> 02:33:40,080
2018

3834
02:33:44,950 --> 02:33:43,359
and the beginning of the year it seemed

3835
02:33:46,070 --> 02:33:44,960
a little bit different the door was

3836
02:33:49,750 --> 02:33:46,080
cracked

3837
02:33:51,590 --> 02:33:49,760
disclosure was imminent it seemed like

3838
02:33:53,349 --> 02:33:51,600
2018

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02:33:56,710 --> 02:33:53,359
was going to be the year and the

3840
02:33:58,150 --> 02:33:56,720
community was pretty uppity uh back in

3841
02:33:59,349 --> 02:33:58,160
january

3842
02:34:01,990 --> 02:33:59,359
for you

3843
02:34:03,750 --> 02:34:02,000
uh do you feel a little disappointed did

3844
02:34:06,070 --> 02:34:03,760
you think this was going to be the year

3845
02:34:06,950 --> 02:34:06,080
for disclosure

3846
02:34:09,510 --> 02:34:06,960
no

3847
02:34:11,030 --> 02:34:09,520
i and i think if if people were to

3848
02:34:12,870 --> 02:34:11,040
go back through any of the statements

3849
02:34:15,510 --> 02:34:12,880
that i made

3850
02:34:17,830 --> 02:34:15,520
at the end of 2017 or throughout 2018 i

3851
02:34:19,429 --> 02:34:17,840
i don't think i made any such uh

3852
02:34:20,790 --> 02:34:19,439
predictions that i thought

3853
02:34:21,670 --> 02:34:20,800
things were going to happen or break i

3854
02:34:23,830 --> 02:34:21,680
just

3855
02:34:27,429 --> 02:34:23,840
i've actually never

3856
02:34:28,550 --> 02:34:27,439
we've weathered through a lot of uh

3857
02:34:33,349 --> 02:34:28,560
of

3858
02:34:35,030 --> 02:34:33,359
past 20 plus years and i've just never

3859
02:34:36,870 --> 02:34:35,040
thought it's it's on the

3860
02:34:38,469 --> 02:34:36,880
verge i do believe that there will be a

3861
02:34:41,590 --> 02:34:38,479
disclosure at some

3862
02:34:42,469 --> 02:34:41,600
point probably in my lifetime but

3863
02:34:45,750 --> 02:34:42,479
i

3864
02:34:47,990 --> 02:34:45,760
moment now

3865
02:34:51,110 --> 02:34:48,000
what happened last year with the

3866
02:34:52,150 --> 02:34:51,120
the revelation of the atip program

3867
02:34:54,550 --> 02:34:52,160
um

3868
02:34:56,230 --> 02:34:54,560
was that is significant and that remains

3869
02:34:57,590 --> 02:34:56,240
significant in my mind you know we have

3870
02:34:59,429 --> 02:34:57,600
it's been a year

3871
02:35:02,389 --> 02:34:59,439
and we've had a little bit of time to to

3872
02:35:04,389 --> 02:35:02,399
digest it and while it hasn't

3873
02:35:05,910 --> 02:35:04,399
amounted to an official disclosure

3874
02:35:08,230 --> 02:35:05,920
obviously

3875
02:35:10,070 --> 02:35:08,240
it's also not insignificant i think we

3876
02:35:11,349 --> 02:35:10,080
can all agree like

3877
02:35:14,309 --> 02:35:11,359
the the

3878
02:35:17,349 --> 02:35:14,319
the public discourse is different

3879
02:35:18,309 --> 02:35:17,359
as a result of that admission

3880
02:35:21,990 --> 02:35:18,319
so

3881
02:35:23,670 --> 02:35:22,000
um and i

3882
02:35:25,510 --> 02:35:23,680
i think that we're in an era of what

3883
02:35:27,349 --> 02:35:25,520
i've been calling a drip drip of

3884
02:35:29,190 --> 02:35:27,359
disclosure

3885
02:35:32,550 --> 02:35:29,200
in other words there's there's enough

3886
02:35:34,950 --> 02:35:32,560
pressure from our society in general

3887
02:35:36,150 --> 02:35:34,960
all sectors of our society that includes

3888
02:35:38,150 --> 02:35:36,160
within

3889
02:35:40,469 --> 02:35:38,160
government and scientific

3890
02:35:42,550 --> 02:35:40,479
uh bodies to some extent

3891
02:35:45,030 --> 02:35:42,560
that are

3892
02:35:47,910 --> 02:35:45,040
causing information to come out because

3893
02:35:50,070 --> 02:35:47,920
the fact is this isn't 1980.

3894
02:35:52,389 --> 02:35:50,080
we're in a different era we're in a

3895
02:35:53,349 --> 02:35:52,399
completely digitized age

3896
02:35:55,670 --> 02:35:53,359
where

3897
02:35:58,150 --> 02:35:55,680
we are able to share information in ways

3898
02:36:00,070 --> 02:35:58,160
that were not conceivable to earlier

3899
02:36:01,110 --> 02:36:00,080
generations and as a result it's causing

3900
02:36:02,870 --> 02:36:01,120
pressure

3901
02:36:07,030 --> 02:36:02,880
from

3902
02:36:09,750 --> 02:36:07,040
with

3903
02:36:11,830 --> 02:36:09,760
the secret are being forced into a

3904
02:36:14,710 --> 02:36:11,840
position of having to adapt

3905
02:36:16,469 --> 02:36:14,720
to that and that's causing

3906
02:36:17,830 --> 02:36:16,479
not an admission or acknowledgement that

3907
02:36:20,550 --> 02:36:17,840
they have to let the secret out and just

3908
02:36:23,349 --> 02:36:20,560
give it all up no but it does cause an

3909
02:36:24,230 --> 02:36:23,359
acknowledgement that they have to

3910
02:36:25,990 --> 02:36:24,240
give up

3911
02:36:27,270 --> 02:36:26,000
little bits here and there

3912
02:36:28,790 --> 02:36:27,280
to um

3913
02:36:31,190 --> 02:36:28,800
to deal with it this is why the new york

3914
02:36:34,150 --> 02:36:31,200
times covered the story the way they did

3915
02:36:35,830 --> 02:36:34,160
they um i'm convinced of this now

3916
02:36:37,110 --> 02:36:35,840
that it's not not the authors of the

3917
02:36:39,030 --> 02:36:37,120
article they had nothing to do with this

3918
02:36:40,630 --> 02:36:39,040
not helene cooper not leslie kane not

3919
02:36:43,510 --> 02:36:40,640
ralph blumenthal

3920
02:36:44,870 --> 02:36:43,520
but the leadership of the new york times

3921
02:36:46,150 --> 02:36:44,880
knew

3922
02:36:48,230 --> 02:36:46,160
that

3923
02:36:50,870 --> 02:36:48,240
information about this program

3924
02:36:54,070 --> 02:36:50,880
was going to come out they knew that

3925
02:36:56,630 --> 02:36:54,080
information about the david fravor ufo

3926
02:36:58,790 --> 02:36:56,640
case was going to come out

3927
02:37:00,790 --> 02:36:58,800
and they allowed that story to be

3928
02:37:01,670 --> 02:37:00,800
written so that they could control the

3929
02:37:03,750 --> 02:37:01,680
spin

3930
02:37:05,270 --> 02:37:03,760
on that story which they did a really

3931
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:05,280
good job of that

3932
02:37:08,550 --> 02:37:06,960
so in a sense it was a bit of damage

3933
02:37:12,070 --> 02:37:08,560
control and you and i even talked about

3934
02:37:14,870 --> 02:37:12,080
that earlier in 2018 but

3935
02:37:17,030 --> 02:37:14,880
but but even so even though that article

3936
02:37:18,710 --> 02:37:17,040
was damage control and that article was

3937
02:37:20,950 --> 02:37:18,720
spin and to some extent it was even

3938
02:37:22,309 --> 02:37:20,960
deceptive

3939
02:37:24,070 --> 02:37:22,319
it was still

3940
02:37:27,429 --> 02:37:24,080
moving the ball forward down the field

3941
02:37:29,590 --> 02:37:27,439
for us like it still was because

3942
02:37:31,270 --> 02:37:29,600
despite the fact that there was a lot of

3943
02:37:33,270 --> 02:37:31,280
information that was missing and even

3944
02:37:36,309 --> 02:37:33,280
incorrect about it

3945
02:37:38,550 --> 02:37:36,319
uh ufos became

3946
02:37:41,349 --> 02:37:38,560
acknowledged again

3947
02:37:43,349 --> 02:37:41,359
as a thing as a real

3948
02:37:45,349 --> 02:37:43,359
thing in our society that we're able to

3949
02:37:46,469 --> 02:37:45,359
talk about in ways that it was not as

3950
02:37:47,910 --> 02:37:46,479
easy to do that

3951
02:37:49,590 --> 02:37:47,920
before that so

3952
02:37:52,070 --> 02:37:49,600
so we're in a different situation we're

3953
02:37:54,550 --> 02:37:52,080
not in disclosure

3954
02:37:56,710 --> 02:37:54,560
but i i am of the opinion

3955
02:37:59,510 --> 02:37:56,720
that there will be

3956
02:38:01,670 --> 02:37:59,520
such a disclosure moment i just the

3957
02:38:04,469 --> 02:38:01,680
thing that i'm i i don't know and i i

3958
02:38:06,630 --> 02:38:04,479
can't know is what's the mechanism

3959
02:38:09,750 --> 02:38:06,640
that will trigger such a disclosure i

3960
02:38:12,070 --> 02:38:09,760
mean i co-authored a book years ago on

3961
02:38:13,429 --> 02:38:12,080
on the various mechanisms that might

3962
02:38:15,349 --> 02:38:13,439
trigger a disclosure would it be a

3963
02:38:18,389 --> 02:38:15,359
sighting that's unavoidable would it be

3964
02:38:20,550 --> 02:38:18,399
a leak that is undeniable or would it be

3965
02:38:21,910 --> 02:38:20,560
some other some other event an accident

3966
02:38:23,830 --> 02:38:21,920
an insider

3967
02:38:26,550 --> 02:38:23,840
who decides to let it out

3968
02:38:28,630 --> 02:38:26,560
um i don't know but i think

3969
02:38:30,309 --> 02:38:28,640
that in any of the cases it will be as a

3970
02:38:32,469 --> 02:38:30,319
result of the

3971
02:38:35,590 --> 02:38:32,479
increasing amounts of pressure and

3972
02:38:36,710 --> 02:38:35,600
capability by the population itself by

3973
02:38:39,429 --> 02:38:36,720
us

3974
02:38:41,510 --> 02:38:39,439
to be able to record this phenomenon be

3975
02:38:44,309 --> 02:38:41,520
to be able to communicate about it and

3976
02:38:46,070 --> 02:38:44,319
to force this issue open so

3977
02:38:48,630 --> 02:38:46,080
that's why it's a drip drip you know

3978
02:38:51,030 --> 02:38:48,640
those those elites are aware they cannot

3979
02:38:53,830 --> 02:38:51,040
keep this secret forever they can't they

3980
02:38:55,590 --> 02:38:53,840
know they can't and so they'll

3981
02:38:58,550 --> 02:38:55,600
let a little bit out when they have to

3982
02:39:01,590 --> 02:38:58,560
bit by bit by bit by bit but by kicking

3983
02:39:03,349 --> 02:39:01,600
the can right down the road uh

3984
02:39:06,870 --> 02:39:03,359
further and further

3985
02:39:10,070 --> 02:39:06,880
um and delaying it you know i i enjoy

3986
02:39:13,030 --> 02:39:10,080
the drip drip we're all in this together

3987
02:39:15,750 --> 02:39:13,040
but by kicking the can down the road

3988
02:39:17,429 --> 02:39:15,760
what's the advantage in that i mean

3989
02:39:19,830 --> 02:39:17,439
that's the part that i'm trying to

3990
02:39:21,670 --> 02:39:19,840
resolve for myself well there's an

3991
02:39:23,270 --> 02:39:21,680
advantage for them for those secret

3992
02:39:25,270 --> 02:39:23,280
keepers because the longer you keep the

3993
02:39:27,349 --> 02:39:25,280
secret the more power you have the more

3994
02:39:29,830 --> 02:39:27,359
money you can make the more influence

3995
02:39:31,990 --> 02:39:29,840
you know behind the scenes you can wield

3996
02:39:33,190 --> 02:39:32,000
so there if they can keep it for another

3997
02:39:35,030 --> 02:39:33,200
10 years they'll do that if they can

3998
02:39:36,630 --> 02:39:35,040
keep it for another 50 years they'll do

3999
02:39:38,870 --> 02:39:36,640
that if they can keep it for another

4000
02:39:40,870 --> 02:39:38,880
century they'll do that

4001
02:39:43,030 --> 02:39:40,880
the question is how long can they keep

4002
02:39:44,790 --> 02:39:43,040
it that's the real question

4003
02:39:46,870 --> 02:39:44,800
like if they could keep it forever they

4004
02:39:48,070 --> 02:39:46,880
would do that but i don't think that's

4005
02:39:49,590 --> 02:39:48,080
possible

4006
02:39:51,270 --> 02:39:49,600
so for them to kick the can down the

4007
02:39:52,950 --> 02:39:51,280
road like they'll kick that can as long

4008
02:39:55,670 --> 02:39:52,960
as they can kick that can

4009
02:39:56,630 --> 02:39:55,680
because secrecy is power and power is

4010
02:39:58,790 --> 02:39:56,640
money

4011
02:40:00,550 --> 02:39:58,800
like if you've got if you've got

4012
02:40:02,710 --> 02:40:00,560
acquired technology that doesn't

4013
02:40:03,590 --> 02:40:02,720
originate from this civilization and you

4014
02:40:05,750 --> 02:40:03,600
have

4015
02:40:08,070 --> 02:40:05,760
restricted access to studying it well

4016
02:40:10,790 --> 02:40:08,080
why why would you ever

4017
02:40:13,110 --> 02:40:10,800
share that access with anyone else

4018
02:40:15,110 --> 02:40:13,120
you're holding the future in your hands

4019
02:40:17,910 --> 02:40:15,120
that's an amazing amount of power and

4020
02:40:19,910 --> 02:40:17,920
money and opportunity like you'll never

4021
02:40:21,750 --> 02:40:19,920
give that up and i i think that's the

4022
02:40:22,469 --> 02:40:21,760
situation that we're finding ourselves

4023
02:40:27,830 --> 02:40:22,479
in

4024
02:40:30,309 --> 02:40:27,840
uh i had up at east city as crazy as it

4025
02:40:32,870 --> 02:40:30,319
sounds and and everything else well it

4026
02:40:35,270 --> 02:40:32,880
actually happened but the freaking thing

4027
02:40:37,830 --> 02:40:35,280
happened up at east city right in the

4028
02:40:40,309 --> 02:40:37,840
middle of a forest

4029
02:40:43,590 --> 02:40:40,319
uh in the middle of nowhere

4030
02:40:45,510 --> 02:40:43,600
if that happened over los angeles it

4031
02:40:48,469 --> 02:40:45,520
would be case closed

4032
02:40:50,550 --> 02:40:48,479
and and that is a situation where not

4033
02:40:53,110 --> 02:40:50,560
only is it case closed but all of the

4034
02:40:55,030 --> 02:40:53,120
things that we are talking about now

4035
02:40:57,110 --> 02:40:55,040
that technology and kicking the can down

4036
02:40:58,710 --> 02:40:57,120
the road and the petro dollars and and

4037
02:41:00,830 --> 02:40:58,720
and the money and the infrastructure

4038
02:41:04,790 --> 02:41:00,840
everything all of that comes to a

4039
02:41:05,670 --> 02:41:04,800
crashing immediate halt

4040
02:41:08,150 --> 02:41:05,680
yeah

4041
02:41:09,830 --> 02:41:08,160
it's true so that tells us

4042
02:41:12,550 --> 02:41:09,840
that these other beings

4043
02:41:13,990 --> 02:41:12,560
maybe they don't really want

4044
02:41:15,590 --> 02:41:14,000
to be

4045
02:41:17,510 --> 02:41:15,600
uh the center of attention and they

4046
02:41:19,830 --> 02:41:17,520
don't want to reveal themselves maybe

4047
02:41:21,110 --> 02:41:19,840
there's a clandestine element to what

4048
02:41:23,110 --> 02:41:21,120
they are doing

4049
02:41:25,190 --> 02:41:23,120
you know i mentioned uh david jacobs

4050
02:41:27,670 --> 02:41:25,200
earlier in this conversation

4051
02:41:30,469 --> 02:41:27,680
and um i mentioned him because i again i

4052
02:41:32,070 --> 02:41:30,479
had a recent conversation with him but

4053
02:41:34,630 --> 02:41:32,080
that's his opinion they're they're here

4054
02:41:36,710 --> 02:41:34,640
in a clandestine mission and they do

4055
02:41:38,630 --> 02:41:36,720
it's not a good mission by the way

4056
02:41:40,550 --> 02:41:38,640
and they do not want to be

4057
02:41:43,190 --> 02:41:40,560
found out but then you would ask well

4058
02:41:45,510 --> 02:41:43,200
why do we see them at all

4059
02:41:47,510 --> 02:41:45,520
and the we don't i don't have the exact

4060
02:41:49,190 --> 02:41:47,520
answer to that but one answer might be

4061
02:41:51,030 --> 02:41:49,200
they're not infallible

4062
02:41:52,389 --> 02:41:51,040
they uh they do their best but they can

4063
02:41:54,150 --> 02:41:52,399
still be seen

4064
02:41:56,469 --> 02:41:54,160
that's one possibility

4065
02:41:58,630 --> 02:41:56,479
um another possibility is that there's

4066
02:42:00,469 --> 02:41:58,640
actually a substantial infrastructure of

4067
02:42:02,550 --> 02:42:00,479
them out there

4068
02:42:03,670 --> 02:42:02,560
and they do uh what they can to conceal

4069
02:42:05,990 --> 02:42:03,680
it but

4070
02:42:07,990 --> 02:42:06,000
you know we we see there's enough of

4071
02:42:10,550 --> 02:42:08,000
them out there that we we see them every

4072
02:42:13,510 --> 02:42:10,560
now and then and what do we do with uh

4073
02:42:14,790 --> 02:42:13,520
see there's you mentioned hive mind uh a

4074
02:42:16,790 --> 02:42:14,800
few times

4075
02:42:20,630 --> 02:42:16,800
and then we have a

4076
02:42:23,030 --> 02:42:20,640
crazy situation here that involves

4077
02:42:25,110 --> 02:42:23,040
uh what appears to me to be you know

4078
02:42:27,910 --> 02:42:25,120
literally millions of people on this

4079
02:42:31,030 --> 02:42:27,920
planet that are talking about receiving

4080
02:42:31,990 --> 02:42:31,040
messages or channeling information

4081
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:32,000
uh

4082
02:42:37,030 --> 02:42:34,800
abductions and and visitations this

4083
02:42:41,030 --> 02:42:37,040
isn't a a few hundred people we're

4084
02:42:43,670 --> 02:42:41,040
talking about a big chunk of uh

4085
02:42:46,309 --> 02:42:43,680
civilians here that that are

4086
02:42:47,910 --> 02:42:46,319
are speaking about this is that the hive

4087
02:42:50,469 --> 02:42:47,920
mind is that

4088
02:42:51,750 --> 02:42:50,479
you know is is that part of our reality

4089
02:42:54,469 --> 02:42:51,760
because

4090
02:42:56,870 --> 02:42:54,479
not all of these people are crazy which

4091
02:42:58,550 --> 02:42:56,880
is the way that they are labeled no no

4092
02:43:00,469 --> 02:42:58,560
they're they're not all crazy it's an

4093
02:43:02,469 --> 02:43:00,479
interesting phenomenon this whole idea

4094
02:43:04,389 --> 02:43:02,479
of the downloads and

4095
02:43:06,469 --> 02:43:04,399
uh you know telepathic connection with

4096
02:43:07,830 --> 02:43:06,479
these other beings and i'm going to be

4097
02:43:11,590 --> 02:43:07,840
perfectly honest with you and tell you

4098
02:43:12,389 --> 02:43:11,600
i've never known how fully

4099
02:43:14,630 --> 02:43:12,399
to

4100
02:43:16,469 --> 02:43:14,640
uh grapple with this because i i mean

4101
02:43:19,349 --> 02:43:16,479
there's a number of these people i've

4102
02:43:21,030 --> 02:43:19,359
spoken to and i simply do not believe

4103
02:43:23,110 --> 02:43:21,040
them i'm just going to tell you right

4104
02:43:25,110 --> 02:43:23,120
out i don't believe them all i think

4105
02:43:26,550 --> 02:43:25,120
some of them are completely full of it

4106
02:43:29,349 --> 02:43:26,560
they may believe themselves but i don't

4107
02:43:31,590 --> 02:43:29,359
believe them however there are people

4108
02:43:34,070 --> 02:43:31,600
out there who i i do believe them like

4109
02:43:36,950 --> 02:43:34,080
i'm look i'm married to a remote viewer

4110
02:43:39,110 --> 02:43:36,960
i i don't need to be persuaded that we

4111
02:43:41,910 --> 02:43:39,120
have capabilities

4112
02:43:43,510 --> 02:43:41,920
that are like that so so i have to ask

4113
02:43:45,349 --> 02:43:43,520
myself

4114
02:43:46,230 --> 02:43:45,359
what is going on when

4115
02:43:49,110 --> 02:43:46,240
people

4116
02:43:50,309 --> 02:43:49,120
are having these telepathic connections

4117
02:43:52,870 --> 02:43:50,319
but i'm going to go back to the hive

4118
02:43:55,830 --> 02:43:52,880
mind thing for a minute because

4119
02:43:57,349 --> 02:43:55,840
if you if you assume that there

4120
02:43:59,670 --> 02:43:57,359
that this society that we're dealing

4121
02:44:01,670 --> 02:43:59,680
with is very telepathic and there's a

4122
02:44:03,349 --> 02:44:01,680
lot of reasons to think that that's

4123
02:44:05,190 --> 02:44:03,359
the case

4124
02:44:07,190 --> 02:44:05,200
then

4125
02:44:09,030 --> 02:44:07,200
how would you not have a hive mind right

4126
02:44:10,469 --> 02:44:09,040
because everyone's telepathic you kind

4127
02:44:12,469 --> 02:44:10,479
of know what everyone's thinking that's

4128
02:44:13,590 --> 02:44:12,479
right it would almost by its very nature

4129
02:44:17,030 --> 02:44:13,600
create

4130
02:44:18,630 --> 02:44:17,040
a hive mind where

4131
02:44:20,070 --> 02:44:18,640
you have no privacy

4132
02:44:22,950 --> 02:44:20,080
you've got no

4133
02:44:24,389 --> 02:44:22,960
that you it's a total conformist type of

4134
02:44:27,269 --> 02:44:24,399
society it would be very difficult it

4135
02:44:28,710 --> 02:44:27,279
would seem to me to have a lot of real

4136
02:44:30,309 --> 02:44:28,720
individuality

4137
02:44:31,910 --> 02:44:30,319
when everyone knows everyone else's

4138
02:44:34,150 --> 02:44:31,920
thoughts like and everyone else can get

4139
02:44:35,990 --> 02:44:34,160
into your thoughts as well

4140
02:44:37,910 --> 02:44:36,000
you know because if if everyone's

4141
02:44:39,510 --> 02:44:37,920
telepathic then you have to ask yourself

4142
02:44:41,190 --> 02:44:39,520
to what extent are your thoughts your

4143
02:44:43,349 --> 02:44:41,200
own you don't even know it's a pretty

4144
02:44:45,190 --> 02:44:43,359
noisy room

4145
02:44:46,630 --> 02:44:45,200
it would be a world that like i would

4146
02:44:48,630 --> 02:44:46,640
never want to live in that world i i

4147
02:44:50,790 --> 02:44:48,640
hear people say oh yeah we're we're

4148
02:44:52,309 --> 02:44:50,800
going to move on to the next evolution

4149
02:44:54,389 --> 02:44:52,319
an evolutionary stage and we'll be

4150
02:44:57,429 --> 02:44:54,399
telepathic and i'm like are you out of

4151
02:44:58,870 --> 02:44:57,439
your mind like who would want that

4152
02:45:00,550 --> 02:44:58,880
that's that's a prescription for

4153
02:45:02,309 --> 02:45:00,560
insanity in my opinion

4154
02:45:04,230 --> 02:45:02,319
never you want someone crawling inside

4155
02:45:06,550 --> 02:45:04,240
your head good luck with that

4156
02:45:09,030 --> 02:45:06,560
but it's also a very easy

4157
02:45:11,190 --> 02:45:09,040
way to create a

4158
02:45:13,349 --> 02:45:11,200
totally conformist and by the way we're

4159
02:45:15,670 --> 02:45:13,359
moving into it ourselves anyway you know

4160
02:45:17,830 --> 02:45:15,680
whether the aliens

4161
02:45:21,030 --> 02:45:17,840
uh connect with us or not where our

4162
02:45:24,389 --> 02:45:21,040
technology next generation 5g technology

4163
02:45:26,070 --> 02:45:24,399
24 7 surveillance uh total you know

4164
02:45:28,710 --> 02:45:26,080
monitoring and intimidation of people

4165
02:45:31,110 --> 02:45:28,720
through digital networks and you know

4166
02:45:33,990 --> 02:45:31,120
your computer trail your digital trail

4167
02:45:36,630 --> 02:45:34,000
we're we're moving into a world frankly

4168
02:45:39,030 --> 02:45:36,640
within the next 10 years in which uh

4169
02:45:41,190 --> 02:45:39,040
there's virtually going to be it's like

4170
02:45:42,950 --> 02:45:41,200
a virtually telepathic society and there

4171
02:45:45,910 --> 02:45:42,960
will be no privacy and people will be

4172
02:45:47,910 --> 02:45:45,920
completely cowed by

4173
02:45:49,190 --> 02:45:47,920
the culture by authority we're already

4174
02:45:50,550 --> 02:45:49,200
seeing it happen

4175
02:45:53,190 --> 02:45:50,560
you know china's rolling out their

4176
02:45:54,790 --> 02:45:53,200
social credit system we think uh we're

4177
02:45:57,750 --> 02:45:54,800
that far away from it you give it 10

4178
02:45:59,590 --> 02:45:57,760
years we're already there anyway with um

4179
02:46:02,230 --> 02:45:59,600
the whole phenomenon of cultural shaming

4180
02:46:03,910 --> 02:46:02,240
and facebook and d platforming and

4181
02:46:05,750 --> 02:46:03,920
um so you just wait it's going to get

4182
02:46:08,950 --> 02:46:05,760
even worse so we're moving toward we're

4183
02:46:11,269 --> 02:46:08,960
moving toward this kind of um

4184
02:46:13,590 --> 02:46:11,279
you know hive mind ourselves maybe it's

4185
02:46:15,269 --> 02:46:13,600
a natural part of evolution

4186
02:46:16,550 --> 02:46:15,279
really a bad one but

4187
02:46:19,030 --> 02:46:16,560
maybe that's what we're dealing with

4188
02:46:22,389 --> 02:46:19,040
well see this is this is what is so

4189
02:46:25,590 --> 02:46:22,399
interesting uh by that that thought

4190
02:46:29,190 --> 02:46:25,600
is this at at the quantum level where we

4191
02:46:31,670 --> 02:46:29,200
understand now what entanglement really

4192
02:46:33,190 --> 02:46:31,680
means and the implications of that you

4193
02:46:34,389 --> 02:46:33,200
know something

4194
02:46:40,389 --> 02:46:34,399
uh

4195
02:46:42,230 --> 02:46:40,399
speed of light but at the same time

4196
02:46:44,309 --> 02:46:42,240
right instantly yeah well beyond speed

4197
02:46:46,790 --> 02:46:44,319
of light it's an incredible phenomenon

4198
02:46:49,349 --> 02:46:46,800
it's it's incredible and so when we talk

4199
02:46:50,630 --> 02:46:49,359
about things like telepathy and

4200
02:46:54,710 --> 02:46:50,640
connections

4201
02:46:56,150 --> 02:46:54,720
and uh the ability to do this in real

4202
02:46:58,790 --> 02:46:56,160
time not

4203
02:47:02,389 --> 02:46:58,800
speed of light right but

4204
02:47:05,590 --> 02:47:02,399
at the exact right this is where

4205
02:47:08,070 --> 02:47:05,600
the channeling aspect of it and the

4206
02:47:10,630 --> 02:47:08,080
communication aspect of this

4207
02:47:13,670 --> 02:47:10,640
uh with et for me makes a whole lot of

4208
02:47:15,910 --> 02:47:13,680
sense in that it doesn't have to happen

4209
02:47:19,590 --> 02:47:15,920
with somebody that's in orbit around

4210
02:47:22,710 --> 02:47:19,600
planet earth on some invisible spaceship

4211
02:47:25,750 --> 02:47:22,720
but it could happen from alpha centauri

4212
02:47:27,750 --> 02:47:25,760
right and if if you accept quantum

4213
02:47:30,309 --> 02:47:27,760
mechanics or quantum theory and an

4214
02:47:31,990 --> 02:47:30,319
entanglement which we know it's been

4215
02:47:33,910 --> 02:47:32,000
proven uh

4216
02:47:36,870 --> 02:47:33,920
to be real

4217
02:47:38,950 --> 02:47:36,880
then that type of communication

4218
02:47:40,790 --> 02:47:38,960
is as real as anything else and that's

4219
02:47:42,710 --> 02:47:40,800
where i have a hard time

4220
02:47:44,630 --> 02:47:42,720
there there are those out there that are

4221
02:47:47,110 --> 02:47:44,640
completely full of it i totally agree

4222
02:47:49,030 --> 02:47:47,120
with you that absolutely

4223
02:47:50,870 --> 02:47:49,040
there are yeah you live you live on the

4224
02:47:53,030 --> 02:47:50,880
west coast

4225
02:47:54,469 --> 02:47:53,040
my neighbor i'm communicating with them

4226
02:47:57,910 --> 02:47:54,479
now yeah

4227
02:48:00,150 --> 02:47:57,920
but but that this there it's happening

4228
02:48:02,150 --> 02:48:00,160
too much with too many

4229
02:48:04,230 --> 02:48:02,160
with that and that's that's the thing

4230
02:48:06,790 --> 02:48:04,240
and could it be deception going back to

4231
02:48:09,110 --> 02:48:06,800
david jacobs and others

4232
02:48:10,309 --> 02:48:09,120
you know it it yeah maybe

4233
02:48:12,630 --> 02:48:10,319
i would like to address something you

4234
02:48:14,870 --> 02:48:12,640
just said uh which was really

4235
02:48:18,309 --> 02:48:14,880
interesting so you you made a really

4236
02:48:19,910 --> 02:48:18,319
good point if people are getting it

4237
02:48:21,590 --> 02:48:19,920
let's say telepathic download or a

4238
02:48:23,110 --> 02:48:21,600
connection why would it have to be from

4239
02:48:25,110 --> 02:48:23,120
a ship in earth orbit why couldn't it be

4240
02:48:27,030 --> 02:48:25,120
from a much farther

4241
02:48:28,630 --> 02:48:27,040
farther place

4242
02:48:30,389 --> 02:48:28,640
well

4243
02:48:31,910 --> 02:48:30,399
remember earlier in our conversation we

4244
02:48:34,469 --> 02:48:31,920
were talking i i brought up the whole

4245
02:48:36,790 --> 02:48:34,479
thing about how our brains are smaller

4246
02:48:39,750 --> 02:48:36,800
than that of our prehistoric uh

4247
02:48:41,590 --> 02:48:39,760
ancestors and this is verifiable there's

4248
02:48:43,429 --> 02:48:41,600
no question about it it's 10 to 15

4249
02:48:45,670 --> 02:48:43,439
percent smaller

4250
02:48:48,309 --> 02:48:45,680
i liken it to the amount of taken out by

4251
02:48:50,630 --> 02:48:48,319
an ice cream scoop from their brain

4252
02:48:52,790 --> 02:48:50,640
so um i had an interesting chat with one

4253
02:48:55,750 --> 02:48:52,800
researcher some time ago who did a lot

4254
02:48:58,389 --> 02:48:55,760
of work on gobekli tepe and also ancient

4255
02:49:00,150 --> 02:48:58,399
the whole ancient astronaut uh theories

4256
02:49:03,429 --> 02:49:00,160
uh phenomenon

4257
02:49:05,190 --> 02:49:03,439
he's out of uh tasmania his name is

4258
02:49:06,630 --> 02:49:05,200
uh gordon

4259
02:49:09,190 --> 02:49:06,640
gordon white

4260
02:49:11,030 --> 02:49:09,200
love this guy anyway

4261
02:49:13,429 --> 02:49:11,040
he had an interesting idea and he had a

4262
02:49:15,830 --> 02:49:13,439
book called starships that's it

4263
02:49:18,790 --> 02:49:15,840
and he said what if

4264
02:49:20,630 --> 02:49:18,800
ancient ancient contact

4265
02:49:22,309 --> 02:49:20,640
wasn't in the form of

4266
02:49:23,190 --> 02:49:22,319
aliens landing

4267
02:49:27,110 --> 02:49:23,200
and

4268
02:49:28,389 --> 02:49:27,120
but what if ancient contact was in the

4269
02:49:31,429 --> 02:49:28,399
form of

4270
02:49:33,990 --> 02:49:31,439
telepathy or what we would call magic or

4271
02:49:35,910 --> 02:49:34,000
some kind of consciousness connection

4272
02:49:37,190 --> 02:49:35,920
with human beings who had

4273
02:49:39,750 --> 02:49:37,200
larger

4274
02:49:42,150 --> 02:49:39,760
more significant brains maybe that part

4275
02:49:44,150 --> 02:49:42,160
of their mind was

4276
02:49:47,510 --> 02:49:44,160
much more psychic

4277
02:49:49,750 --> 02:49:47,520
much more in tune with

4278
02:49:51,349 --> 02:49:49,760
elements of the environment i bet it was

4279
02:49:54,389 --> 02:49:51,359
it would have to be

4280
02:49:57,030 --> 02:49:54,399
to be a functioning person in a

4281
02:49:59,590 --> 02:49:57,040
hunter-gatherer society you needed to be

4282
02:50:01,349 --> 02:49:59,600
able to be completely in tune with the

4283
02:50:04,950 --> 02:50:01,359
world around you in every way and that

4284
02:50:09,670 --> 02:50:06,950
a mode that we would call psychic so

4285
02:50:11,590 --> 02:50:09,680
maybe we're like psychically crippled

4286
02:50:12,870 --> 02:50:11,600
compared with those ancient people and

4287
02:50:14,550 --> 02:50:12,880
what if

4288
02:50:17,190 --> 02:50:14,560
this is gordon's idea

4289
02:50:18,630 --> 02:50:17,200
uh they were actually

4290
02:50:21,110 --> 02:50:18,640
you know like when you talk about the

4291
02:50:23,830 --> 02:50:21,120
dogon and their connection with

4292
02:50:25,910 --> 02:50:23,840
the being from sirius a and b and so

4293
02:50:28,469 --> 02:50:25,920
forth and that whole story

4294
02:50:29,990 --> 02:50:28,479
well is it really likely that

4295
02:50:32,070 --> 02:50:30,000
extraterrestrials would land and talk to

4296
02:50:34,630 --> 02:50:32,080
the dogon and give them astronomical

4297
02:50:36,469 --> 02:50:34,640
information like that or would it be

4298
02:50:37,510 --> 02:50:36,479
more likely that ancient people would

4299
02:50:40,230 --> 02:50:37,520
have had

4300
02:50:42,469 --> 02:50:40,240
a telepathic connection in one way and

4301
02:50:44,550 --> 02:50:42,479
gotten that information somehow and then

4302
02:50:45,670 --> 02:50:44,560
written it out like that's interesting

4303
02:50:46,550 --> 02:50:45,680
to me

4304
02:50:49,030 --> 02:50:46,560
so

4305
02:50:51,590 --> 02:50:49,040
and indeed consciousness this is the one

4306
02:50:54,309 --> 02:50:51,600
crazy thing that we need really to

4307
02:50:56,309 --> 02:50:54,319
incorporate consciousness doesn't

4308
02:50:59,110 --> 02:50:56,319
seem to have

4309
02:51:01,750 --> 02:50:59,120
space and time limits does it no it's

4310
02:51:03,910 --> 02:51:01,760
beyond that so in a sense what you're

4311
02:51:06,469 --> 02:51:03,920
saying is totally true and and this is

4312
02:51:07,910 --> 02:51:06,479
the one thing this that keeps me from

4313
02:51:09,429 --> 02:51:07,920
dismissing

4314
02:51:12,150 --> 02:51:09,439
some of the most

4315
02:51:13,750 --> 02:51:12,160
you know really far out new agey

4316
02:51:16,389 --> 02:51:13,760
channelers

4317
02:51:18,710 --> 02:51:16,399
people that i think ugh i just i roll

4318
02:51:20,950 --> 02:51:18,720
honestly it's just a big eye roll for me

4319
02:51:23,269 --> 02:51:20,960
but

4320
02:51:25,750 --> 02:51:23,279
is it really impossible and i have to

4321
02:51:27,110 --> 02:51:25,760
say it isn't impossible

4322
02:51:30,830 --> 02:51:27,120
in every case

4323
02:51:34,950 --> 02:51:30,840
that someone may be contacted

4324
02:51:37,750 --> 02:51:34,960
by intelligence from far far away so

4325
02:51:40,710 --> 02:51:37,760
for that reason i i keep my mind open

4326
02:51:41,670 --> 02:51:40,720
like i have to yeah what happened to me

4327
02:51:44,309 --> 02:51:41,680
uh

4328
02:51:47,190 --> 02:51:44,319
you know channelers i've had many on the

4329
02:51:49,910 --> 02:51:47,200
show and and one

4330
02:51:50,710 --> 02:51:49,920
that and this was years ago or two years

4331
02:51:52,389 --> 02:51:50,720
ago

4332
02:51:53,349 --> 02:51:52,399
uh daryl anka

4333
02:51:55,349 --> 02:51:53,359
who

4334
02:51:57,190 --> 02:51:55,359
you know is you know one of the uh one

4335
02:51:57,830 --> 02:51:57,200
of the one of the biggest channelers out

4336
02:52:01,429 --> 02:51:57,840
there

4337
02:52:04,469 --> 02:52:01,439
yeah yeah bashar great guy anyway uh

4338
02:52:06,070 --> 02:52:04,479
years ago years ago so a while ago i

4339
02:52:08,630 --> 02:52:06,080
heard him

4340
02:52:10,790 --> 02:52:08,640
uh he was channeling bashar and he

4341
02:52:13,110 --> 02:52:10,800
explained by the way endorsed my book

4342
02:52:14,790 --> 02:52:13,120
after disclosure just want to say

4343
02:52:17,190 --> 02:52:14,800
did you get an autograph

4344
02:52:19,429 --> 02:52:17,200
no that would be nice but anyway the

4345
02:52:22,070 --> 02:52:19,439
endorsement was nice he did this

4346
02:52:23,590 --> 02:52:22,080
explanation he did this explanation of

4347
02:52:25,990 --> 02:52:23,600
time travel

4348
02:52:27,750 --> 02:52:26,000
and i went and listened now

4349
02:52:29,110 --> 02:52:27,760
different from anything else that you've

4350
02:52:31,030 --> 02:52:29,120
ever heard we don't need to get into

4351
02:52:33,670 --> 02:52:31,040
that we don't have the time but i

4352
02:52:35,750 --> 02:52:33,680
listened to it over and over again and

4353
02:52:37,269 --> 02:52:35,760
the more that i listened to it i just

4354
02:52:38,790 --> 02:52:37,279
thought to my you know what that came

4355
02:52:41,110 --> 02:52:38,800
from off planet

4356
02:52:45,590 --> 02:52:41,120
that right there

4357
02:52:48,710 --> 02:52:45,600
that concept of time travel was was not

4358
02:52:50,630 --> 02:52:48,720
some science fiction mindset from here

4359
02:52:52,469 --> 02:52:50,640
it just simply wasn't

4360
02:52:54,469 --> 02:52:52,479
and that's when i just had to back up

4361
02:52:56,150 --> 02:52:54,479
and and try to figure out possibly what

4362
02:52:58,150 --> 02:52:56,160
is going on quantum theory and

4363
02:53:01,830 --> 02:52:58,160
entanglement came later

4364
02:53:03,590 --> 02:53:01,840
and and for me it explains a lot it it

4365
02:53:06,790 --> 02:53:03,600
it's the it opens the door to the

4366
02:53:08,790 --> 02:53:06,800
possibility of an explanation for what

4367
02:53:11,030 --> 02:53:08,800
so many people are apparently hearing

4368
02:53:12,630 --> 02:53:11,040
and connecting with well i would like to

4369
02:53:14,389 --> 02:53:12,640
read that explanation of time travel i

4370
02:53:15,349 --> 02:53:14,399
think would be interesting the thing is

4371
02:53:17,510 --> 02:53:15,359
channeling

4372
02:53:19,830 --> 02:53:17,520
i can't dismiss it uh entirely i just

4373
02:53:20,790 --> 02:53:19,840
can't i'd like to but i can't

4374
02:53:24,469 --> 02:53:20,800
and

4375
02:53:26,309 --> 02:53:24,479
there's something that's going on with

4376
02:53:27,910 --> 02:53:26,319
that process

4377
02:53:30,070 --> 02:53:27,920
like there's something that's going on

4378
02:53:31,670 --> 02:53:30,080
now what is it that's going on i spoke

4379
02:53:33,030 --> 02:53:31,680
to a channeler a couple of months ago

4380
02:53:35,510 --> 02:53:33,040
not long ago

4381
02:53:36,870 --> 02:53:35,520
um i think he's like he's very serious

4382
02:53:38,630 --> 02:53:36,880
and dedicated

4383
02:53:40,230 --> 02:53:38,640
and i liked uh

4384
02:53:42,230 --> 02:53:40,240
what he had to say about it because he

4385
02:53:44,550 --> 02:53:42,240
said look i don't really know

4386
02:53:46,630 --> 02:53:44,560
what's going on when i do this

4387
02:53:48,870 --> 02:53:46,640
i don't know what it is i don't know if

4388
02:53:51,349 --> 02:53:48,880
i'm actually

4389
02:53:54,389 --> 02:53:51,359
channeling some other entity or if

4390
02:53:56,150 --> 02:53:54,399
there's a part that's deep inside me

4391
02:53:59,030 --> 02:53:56,160
that's doing this or if there's a part

4392
02:54:01,910 --> 02:53:59,040
that's deep inside me that's

4393
02:54:04,630 --> 02:54:01,920
that's uh connecting with

4394
02:54:06,630 --> 02:54:04,640
some other in

4395
02:54:08,630 --> 02:54:06,640
you know general intelligence out there

4396
02:54:10,469 --> 02:54:08,640
or is it something specific like he

4397
02:54:12,389 --> 02:54:10,479
didn't know

4398
02:54:14,710 --> 02:54:12,399
and and he also

4399
02:54:16,550 --> 02:54:14,720
i thought had a very uh

4400
02:54:19,510 --> 02:54:16,560
kind of just

4401
02:54:20,790 --> 02:54:19,520
smart attitude in in the sense that

4402
02:54:22,790 --> 02:54:20,800
is that i really know how much of this

4403
02:54:25,349 --> 02:54:22,800
is true and and how much of it is

4404
02:54:27,750 --> 02:54:25,359
filtered through my personality

4405
02:54:30,469 --> 02:54:27,760
how much of it is filtered through

4406
02:54:31,590 --> 02:54:30,479
the things that i know already

4407
02:54:33,429 --> 02:54:31,600
you know what i mean because it's really

4408
02:54:36,150 --> 02:54:33,439
true like channelers

4409
02:54:38,790 --> 02:54:36,160
you can't we cannot deny this they speak

4410
02:54:40,550 --> 02:54:38,800
it very much in the cultural milieu that

4411
02:54:42,469 --> 02:54:40,560
we live in

4412
02:54:44,550 --> 02:54:42,479
you know i mean they just do

4413
02:54:46,550 --> 02:54:44,560
um they speak in terms of the culture

4414
02:54:49,110 --> 02:54:46,560
that they live within

4415
02:54:51,349 --> 02:54:49,120
they speak within in the um

4416
02:54:53,110 --> 02:54:51,359
the kind of era that they speak that

4417
02:54:55,429 --> 02:54:53,120
they're living within i mean you know

4418
02:54:57,670 --> 02:54:55,439
i've never heard a channeler who's

4419
02:55:00,150 --> 02:54:57,680
speaking in in a completely

4420
02:55:01,429 --> 02:55:00,160
incomprehensible like the way um you

4421
02:55:02,950 --> 02:55:01,439
know think about how different ancient

4422
02:55:04,710 --> 02:55:02,960
greek would be and how differently they

4423
02:55:05,590 --> 02:55:04,720
would speak

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02:55:07,269 --> 02:55:05,600
um

4425
02:55:09,269 --> 02:55:07,279
forget the language difference but just

4426
02:55:11,670 --> 02:55:09,279
the the mode

4427
02:55:14,230 --> 02:55:11,680
of thinking it's very different from how

4428
02:55:17,110 --> 02:55:14,240
we are but yet all channelers really

4429
02:55:20,469 --> 02:55:17,120
speak in fairly comprehensible

4430
02:55:21,590 --> 02:55:20,479
kind of contemporary lingo so the point

4431
02:55:23,429 --> 02:55:21,600
is like

4432
02:55:25,030 --> 02:55:23,439
some of this

4433
02:55:27,349 --> 02:55:25,040
is definitely

4434
02:55:28,950 --> 02:55:27,359
the the filter is the mind of the person

4435
02:55:31,110 --> 02:55:28,960
doing the channeling

4436
02:55:34,070 --> 02:55:31,120
i think there's no denying that so then

4437
02:55:35,990 --> 02:55:34,080
the question is what is the other part

4438
02:55:37,190 --> 02:55:36,000
where is that coming from and it is

4439
02:55:38,950 --> 02:55:37,200
interesting

4440
02:55:40,950 --> 02:55:38,960
you know i would like to get a channeler

4441
02:55:41,990 --> 02:55:40,960
who's able to provide

4442
02:55:43,830 --> 02:55:42,000
truly

4443
02:55:46,230 --> 02:55:43,840
verifiable information whether

4444
02:55:48,550 --> 02:55:46,240
mathematically whether in terms of uh

4445
02:55:50,710 --> 02:55:48,560
secret information about the

4446
02:55:51,990 --> 02:55:50,720
history or politics for that matter or

4447
02:55:53,750 --> 02:55:52,000
some other

4448
02:55:56,309 --> 02:55:53,760
interesting

4449
02:55:58,790 --> 02:55:56,319
verifiable

4450
02:56:01,269 --> 02:55:58,800
information rather than something other

4451
02:56:03,030 --> 02:56:01,279
than how to live your life in oneness

4452
02:56:04,309 --> 02:56:03,040
with the rest of humanity or you know

4453
02:56:05,190 --> 02:56:04,319
platitudes

4454
02:56:06,950 --> 02:56:05,200
you know we're not interested in

4455
02:56:09,349 --> 02:56:06,960
platitudes i'm kind of done with that

4456
02:56:10,710 --> 02:56:09,359
but i'm interested in information so if

4457
02:56:12,950 --> 02:56:10,720
a channeler can provide me with

4458
02:56:15,510 --> 02:56:12,960
information i'm all ears you know what's

4459
02:56:17,510 --> 02:56:15,520
going to be great is i look forward to

4460
02:56:19,110 --> 02:56:17,520
the next time you and i

4461
02:56:21,670 --> 02:56:19,120
are hanging out and you pulled me aside

4462
02:56:23,750 --> 02:56:21,680
to go okay church check this out i just

4463
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:23,760
received a download

4464
02:56:28,790 --> 02:56:26,720
and and richard i'll keep it to myself

4465
02:56:30,230 --> 02:56:28,800
no if if that were to happen i would

4466
02:56:33,110 --> 02:56:30,240
talk about it

4467
02:56:35,990 --> 02:56:33,120
i would too i'm way past the point

4468
02:56:38,550 --> 02:56:36,000
of thinking oh i've got to guard my

4469
02:56:40,630 --> 02:56:38,560
myself uh publicly in this way or that i

4470
02:56:42,630 --> 02:56:40,640
don't care about that anymore that was

4471
02:56:44,469 --> 02:56:42,640
that was a part of my life i'm done

4472
02:56:46,630 --> 02:56:44,479
you're done i'm done with it i'm serious

4473
02:56:48,469 --> 02:56:46,640
so i'm about one thing and only one

4474
02:56:51,030 --> 02:56:48,479
thing i want to be authentic i'm not

4475
02:56:53,510 --> 02:56:51,040
about bs i'm not about holding back

4476
02:56:55,830 --> 02:56:53,520
um i'm gonna give my honest take on

4477
02:56:57,429 --> 02:56:55,840
every single thing that that happens and

4478
02:56:59,750 --> 02:56:57,439
and that's it

4479
02:57:02,150 --> 02:56:59,760
i'm telling you that's why i care about

4480
02:57:03,269 --> 02:57:02,160
it that's why you are richard bleepin

4481
02:57:05,670 --> 02:57:03,279
dolan

4482
02:57:07,590 --> 02:57:05,680
life is too short thank you so much and

4483
02:57:09,269 --> 02:57:07,600
and happy holidays and merry christmas

4484
02:57:10,870 --> 02:57:09,279
to you and tracy i know she's sitting

4485
02:57:12,950 --> 02:57:10,880
right there thank you so much tracy for

4486
02:57:15,670 --> 02:57:12,960
letting me keep your husband uh into

4487
02:57:17,830 --> 02:57:15,680
this overtime and just have a great safe

4488
02:57:19,590 --> 02:57:17,840
holiday season richard and all the best

4489
02:57:21,750 --> 02:57:19,600
to you thank you so much you made this

4490
02:57:23,190 --> 02:57:21,760
show perfect thank you thank you jimmy

4491
02:57:25,349 --> 02:57:23,200
it was a pleasure you're the best

4492
02:57:27,190 --> 02:57:25,359
richard dolan and of course it's all

4493
02:57:29,030 --> 02:57:27,200
right there richard dolan press the

4494
02:57:30,950 --> 02:57:29,040
links for richard are over at

4495
02:57:33,190 --> 02:57:30,960
jimmychurchradio.com

4496
02:57:36,309 --> 02:57:33,200
we went to the bloody end i've got to

4497
02:57:38,710 --> 02:57:36,319
roll credits and get out of here great

4498
02:57:40,230 --> 02:57:38,720
fifth anniversary thanks you thank you

4499
02:57:42,469 --> 02:57:40,240
to everybody out there that was hanging

4500
02:57:44,710 --> 02:57:42,479
out with us tonight and tomorrow night

4501
02:57:46,710 --> 02:57:44,720
is fader night open lines all night long

4502
02:57:49,030 --> 02:57:46,720
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4503
02:57:51,190 --> 02:57:49,040
divine frequency on the airwaves

4504
02:57:53,750 --> 02:57:51,200
followed by open lines all night long

4505
02:57:55,190 --> 02:57:53,760
and you guys can all call in and say yo

4506
02:57:56,389 --> 02:57:55,200
what's up but we'll do that all night

4507
02:57:58,550 --> 02:57:56,399
tomorrow night

4508
02:58:01,590 --> 02:57:58,560
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02:58:03,269 --> 02:58:01,600
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02:58:05,830 --> 02:58:03,279
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02:58:07,750 --> 02:58:05,840
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02:58:10,710 --> 02:58:07,760
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02:58:13,349 --> 02:58:10,720
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02:58:17,990 --> 02:58:15,760
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02:58:20,070 --> 02:58:18,000
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02:58:21,750 --> 02:58:20,080
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4518
02:58:23,510 --> 02:58:21,760
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02:58:25,750 --> 02:58:23,520
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02:58:31,830 --> 02:58:29,920
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4523
02:58:33,510 --> 02:58:31,840
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02:58:35,670 --> 02:58:33,520
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4525
02:58:38,150 --> 02:58:35,680
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4526
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4527
02:58:43,750 --> 02:58:40,640
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4528
02:58:46,150 --> 02:58:43,760
dolan at rich dolan on twitter

4529
02:58:49,030 --> 02:58:46,160
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4530
02:58:51,030 --> 02:58:49,040
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4531
02:58:53,110 --> 02:58:51,040
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4532
02:58:55,670 --> 02:58:53,120
with that i'll see everybody tomorrow

4533
02:58:57,990 --> 02:58:55,680
night fader night until then

4534
02:59:03,520 --> 02:58:58,000
everybody be safe